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Go, ELLEN! I support ya!!! Say no to PALIN & Proposition No. 8! Do u really want this woman to be your next Vice President after D-'Dick' Cheney??!

The candidates of both parties oppose gay marriage.
Biden as usual failed to answer the question. Palin at least is honest. Biden is opposed to gay marriage and when asked a question that a "yes" or "no" wouild have answered, with a statement that he thinks it is regressive.We dont care what you think (ifyou think at all for that matter from the way you speak Senator Sir). We care about what you will do.
Personally, I am always amazed at how the larger gay community tends to fall for the annual pack of lies about democrats supporting special interest gay legislation...when they are the party that lies to try to get our vote and then betrays the trust they have sought to earn.
As much as I never liked McCain ( dating back to his run in 2000)I am voting for McCain and Palin. I don't think our country can affordto have a President that in a candid moment admits to wanting to redistribute wealth from the worker to the non-worker. I dont want a devotee of Marx, Lenin and Mao as President of my country.
And I promise...if you want to know about the democrats true feeling about gay.... just DONT ASK AND DONT TELL ... right Mr. Clinton

What a load of garbage you write, Kuman!
Clinton passed an executive order to enable gay people to serve openly in the military - it was the huge Republican backlash that forced the absurd compromise of Don't Ask Dont' Tell.
John McCain would not even meet with gay men who went to Congress to lobby against Don't Ask Don't Tell - I was there. (Most other Republicans in Congress did meet with us by the way.)
Republicans are not openly supportive of their own gay wing, the Log Cabin Republicans, and most refuse even to take money from them. The evangelical right wing of that party would probably treat us as well as the Taliban if it were not for the Constitution. It's fire and brimstone for the likes of you Mr. (if you're gay).
As for your ludicrous remarks about devotees of Marx and Lenin, since when is progressive taxation anti-capitalist?
I agree it would be nice for more Democrats to support gay rights more openly (and many currently do unlike all Congressional Republicans); but how does it make it better to support hatred against gay people just because it is expressed openly?

Well, it is very interesting what Kuman 10127 wrote.

I personally think that McCain will offer no change to America as he is just going to follow the Bush administration's political direction.

Obama on the other hand, offers a change, at least the hope of a change. Whether or not America is open enough to accept a black president, that remains another question.

But I believe that over the past 10 years, America has been moving in a negative direction, sacrificing more people in the war, bigger national debt, etc.

McCain is a war veteran. Has he got the relevance and ability to connect with the world's economy? Can he help America with their widening national debt?

With the world credit crisis, I think a new young president would help a lot. As proven, old ideas don't work. We, the world in general, need new fresh idea.

As for Palin, I think she hasn't got the experience nor the knowledge to assist McCain. She didn't travel enough (or near to never apart from going to Afghanistan once), she lives in a small place. I have nothing against people who live in a small place but I feel that Palin has very little grasp of the rat race big world.

Most importantly, I believe that Palin's appointment is pure political strategy to sway away votes from the previous Clinton supporters.

Kudos to most of the Hollywood celebrities for the support.

I am wondering about our beloved Cher...She has been idolized by lotsa gay men and got lotsa money from us.

Where is her support?? What is her payback for the community who loves her??

I wonder...

First off, people on here talking about "national deficit". First off, most of the national deficit is owed to Americans, about 6 trillion of it needs to go back to the bond and treasury investors. Second, the deficit didn't grow that much. It seems like it grew only because of the decline of the US dollar, not that we kept borrowing that much. I'm generally a Democrat by heart, but I can't seem to vote for either McCain or Obama cuz I think they're both idiots. Obama is a great motivational speaker, but thats all he can do. He can talk and talk and talk, but the bottom line is, the president has no power. The real power goes to the Senate and Congress, since they're the ones that gets the final say to any matter, including gay marriage. Both candidates are idiots cuz they keep talking about using money to fix this, using money to fix that. First they should tell everyone where are they going to get this money from? Cutting budgets from other agencies and departments to pay for it? Using whatevers left in social security? How can Obama afford all these plans he's proposing if he's also planning on cutting taxes?? Everyone talks about what he wants to do, but nobody talks about how he plans on doing it.

well, i lived in L.A. for 14yrs and at age 61 i have seen a lot of inituatives for "gay marriage" come and go. great strives have been made toward this goal but it is not happening in my lifetime. what gay men and women need to work for is a civil union document recognized by all states. such a
document can stop the departed spouces family, who denounced there son's lifestyle 25yrs ago, from trying to take everything the couple had made together.. ohhh yes, it happens. most democrats would go allong with a civil union for legal matters and maybe even the Log Cabin Republican group. now, as for obama's taxing. he is going to return bill clinton's tax on the upper rich in the U.S... oh yes all of george bush's cronies. i wish more people would work for equality like ellen. thaks ellen for being who you are.

ha, ha, ha.. kuman in our malay language means bacteria. Obviously what was written was a load of crap!
I'm definitely anti-homophorbic society and totally support gay marriage. Eventhough not financially, however, you got my moral support all the way from south east asia!

There always seems to be a huge uproar over gay marriage on the basis that is discriminatory. However there are other groups far larger than the gay community who are heavily discriminated against by most countries' marriage laws. Single people have to put up with a lot of legal discrimination simply because they don't have a partner. In many countries where same-sex partnerships are recognised, this actually leaves single people worse off than gay couples. Who will stand up for this larger group of people? For this reason, I will not support gay marriage. I will, however, gladly support equality for ALL people by supporting a total marriage ban. Marriage is an outdated and anachronistic tradition that ought to have no place in a modern society.

Palin, this is for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuF5URA7q-g

Don't sweat it out guys. Palin is just an idiot who sprout garbage everytime she open her mouth. She should just remain a hockey mom and stick to baking cookies all day long.She says one thing and conveniently change them as she sees fit.Her credibility is totally lacking and so is her IQ.And to think this woman dares to compare herself to Hillary Clinton?

hey, Obama and Joe Biden arent for Gay Marriage either . . . anyway, I kinda like Sarah Palin even though I don't want her to be my Vice President-- I still admire her gumption and grit and these kind of debates (Caribou Barbie) are healthy and part of the ebb and flow and process of politics and public opinion, the fact that she still allowed partner benefits in Alaska says a lot to me . ..but to be frank I still want to have lower taxes which leaves more money in my pockets to spend and invest like I want and lavish more money on my future PRINCE! higher taxes really suck and I just did the math under the Obama plan and how it will impact me, yikes!

although I really admire Sarah Palin even though I don't agree with her on the gay marriage issue, I would much perfer Suzie Orman to run the economy ... I especially like her segment (can you afford it?).

by the way the comment about Cher, I saw her Las Vegas stand in show for Bette Midler and thought she was great (even though I am more into Green Day, REM and older grunge rock like Nirvana)

People who would raise more than $26m, and counting, so as to discriminate on something that has no threatening effect on themselves. What gives? Instead of spending all that money on promoting hate and undermining your fellow human being, why not use the funds on what really matters; provide aid to disaster relief centres or those in real need of help (poor, starving, homeless.., even to the SPCA would count alot more as charity than what is happening now.

So much for "christian" love. Dun think there really was any in the first place if one dun conform and submit to the misguided man made political power games the faithless has sadly generated, clearly completely opposite to what God has intended.

Kudos and Bravo to Ellen for being the shining Beacon as usual and the Greatest respect to Brad Pitt for starting the movement.

I totally agree with goodvenus. Where are all those stars that the gay community supported all their careers? Time to give back, damn it!

PS: Time for your Big Give Oprah.

yes, Palin seems to exhibit idiotic characteristics more appropriate for a hockey mom than a qualified candidate for VP, and she appears to color outside the lines when filing her official business and travel expenses. Amazing how her 3 girls are able to travel at the expense of Alaskans to attend meetings and events they weren't even officially invited to attend...I wonder what sort of fiscal tricks will Palin play with the money from all 50 States if she becomes VP? And what if Mr. McCain, who has battled cancer, at 70....should, god forbid, die in office...leaving the USA with Caribou Barbie at the helm? Comander-in-Chief Palin??????????? Citizens of the USA: you're all in a coma; wake up!!!!

All, please tell your friends, family, coworkers, associates, classmates, etc. if they live in Ca to please vote No on 8. If you are personally affected by Prop 8 or have a close friend whom you support here in CA to get married, please write a personal letter to your friends, families, allies and get them to do the same. We need as much help as possible out here...

As Jammyboi says, it really is a shame to spend all that money for Prop 8 when it could be going to help create jobs, help people with their mortgages, fight crime, increase education and help the poor.

Luckily that Palin woman does not have voting rights in California. And, pretty soon, she will once again confined to the dog sleighs in Alaska...it's gonna be Obama/Biden with a double-digit lead over McCain/Palin.

Hats off to Brad and the Spielbergs!! They know their audience.....us !!

I took a look at youtube and nearly all the videos on prop 8 are for abolishing gay marriage. None of the ones I saw explained just how gays marrying in any way weakens traditional marriage between heterosexuals. Some explained it as impinging on their religious beliefs, but the videos are generally playing to pure prejudice and fear with misinformation. I fail to see how invalidating (will it?) the marriages of 18,000 gay couples in California, or preventing further ones, in any way strengthens the marriages of heterosexual Californians, who in any case have a divorce rate of something over 50%. (The Civil Partnership divorce rate for gays in the UK is less than 1% since introduction nearly 3 years ago, for straights the divorce rate is 45%).

It's a shame that the clear rational and constitutional approach of the Supreme Court judges in protecting the gay minority could be overturned by this bizarre proposition procedure set on an uneven playing field (donations, airtime) and which plays to the basest prejudices of some of the population.

If they get away with this one, I wonder who the right wing "religious" folk will pick on next?

Levi's

San Francisco-based Levi Strauss & Co. will cochair with Pacific Gas & Electric to encourage businesses to oppose California's proposed gay marriage ban, Proposition 8.

The move is in keeping with the philosophy of Levi Strauss, the first Fortune 500 company to ever offer health benefits to the domestic partners of gay employees. Levi Strauss has pledged $25,000 to Equality for All, the coalition leading the campaign.

con'td..1

While we respect the strongly-held beliefs that people have on both sides of this argument, we see this fundamentally as an issue of equality. We hope that California voters will vote no on Proposition 8 - we should not eliminate anyone's fundamental rights, whatever their sexuality, to marry the person they love. Because our company has a great diversity of people and opinions - Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, all religions and no religion, straight and gay - we do not generally take a position on issues outside of our field, especially not social issues."

...cont'd below (Levi's)

Clearly, besides many famous celebrities, we have 2 of the biggest business progressives behind voting against Prop 8 : Google & Levi's.
Hope Prop 8 is shot down permanently. (sorry had to cut & paste..Fridae can't take my size..;P)
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Google

Google has taken a stand against Proposition 8, an anti-gay marriage measure on the November ballot in California.

Google's co-founder Sergey Brin released a statement, saying that "while there are many objections to this proposition - further government encroachment on personal lives, ambiguously written text - it is the chilling and discriminatory effect of the proposition on many of our employees that brings Google to publicly oppose Proposition 8.

..con'td 1 below

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i will vote for ellen...

US gays need so much more campaign on Prop 8.
Almost all I read is "Yes on Prop 8" outside gay media.

marriage is about a union of two people.
besides, heterosexual couples created the word divorce.
then why are we being banned from marriages?

if the debate is truly about children and providing them with a 'functional' family... shouldn't they focus on preventing divorce?

i believe we're good mothers and fathers because of our discrimination. besides, we adopt abandoned kids.

Prop 8 for the sake of the children?

i don't think so.

No On Prop 8
Yes On Prop 9, reading,
"No het marriage allowed, Only gay marriage is human."
Hets monopolized marriage for the entire history.
They used up their monopoly eons ago.

StKildaGWM #9 has got a great point.
By monopolizing marriage and family, hets destroyed gay couples AND IN THE SAME TIME the even more voluntary and involuntary singles.
There is so little civilization in modern marriage.

this article reminds me, time and again, how much I love Ellen ...

YOU GO GURL!!

California has just voted AGAINST same-sex marriage.

The article, "Why Gay Marriage Was Defeated in California", appeared in the Time magazine recently.
Here's the link: [www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1856872,00.html?imw=Y]



A couple of reasons really stand out in the article, as turning points that can especially influence people who are undecided on which way to vote:


"...a group of San Francisco first-graders was taken to city hall to see their lesbian teacher marry her partner. Apparently the field trip was a parent's idea � not the teacher's � but the optics of the event were terrible for the gay side. It seemed like so much indoctrination..."

In other words, gays shot themselves in their own feet. They gave the impression that they were ready to "indoctrinate" young children into becoming gay. This would have appeared a real possibility to straight people, considering how gays are never tired of saying how "proud" they are to be gay and thereby conveying the impression that being gay is a "choice".


To continue:

"...That news came around the same time the pro-amendment forces were running a devastating ad showing a self-satisfied San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom shouting wild-eyed at a rally that same-sex marriage was inevitable "whether you like it or not." The announcer then said darkly, "It's no longer about tolerance. Acceptance of gay marriage is now mandatory."

"Many fence sitters were turned off by Newsom's arrogance; blogger Andrew Sullivan attributed mid-October polls against the gay side to the "Newsom effect..."


So, with gays like this Newsom, the gay community doesn't need enemies. When he could have just as easily won the fence sitters over by appealing to their good sense, he instead turned them off by threatening to shove gay marriage down their throats.


Another reason that comes up is:

"...Part of the reason is that Obama inspired unprecedented numbers of African Americans to vote. Polls show that black voters are more likely to attend church than whites and less likely to be comfortable with equality for gay people. According to CNN, African Americans voted against marriage equality by a wide margin, 69% to 31%. High turnout of African Americans in Florida probably help explain that state's lopsided vote to ban same-sex weddings..."

Not sure what the solution to this last one can be. However, it is quite clear that some of the biggest enemies of the gay community are to be found within the gay community itself; those selfish individuals who, against all good reasoning, insist on performing destructive acts in the name of freedom and liberation.


The same United States has just elevated a black man to the highest position in the country. Can we learn something from his example? Obama didn't have it easy either. But what are the lessons we can learn from his campaign?

For one thing, the Obama campaign made it a point to appear as nonthreatening as possible to the white man. This was a deliberate campaign strategy, and also fitted in with his general nature. They wanted white people to feel comfortable with the idea of having Obama as President. They could very well have screamed that Obama would win whether they liked it or not. Why didn't they EVER do that? Because they realized it would have been stupid. It may have given someone a few seconds of satisfaction, but it would have cost them HEAVILY. So they kept their message very very consistent.

Normal
Consistent
Comfortable
Non-threatening


These are powerful words, that create powerful images in the mind while keeping away threatening images. Powerful words that got Obama the Presidency; won former racist voters over to his side.


How does the GAY community CHOOSE TO project itself; choose to be perceived?

Different
Abnormal
Threatening
Unpredictable
Ready to indoctrinate
Waiting impatiently to propagate its decadent values and win more "members"


As I've said many times, perceptions are more important than facts. But the gay community just doesn't get it, does it? Well, not to worry, they can still have their "Pride" all to themselves.