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3 Nov 2008

Updated: Penang police arrests 70 at 4 raids

Over the weekend, police raided four massage parlours and gay saunas. A source told Fridae that there were no sex parties in progress during the police raids despite being reported by the media.

Updated: November 4, 2008

The police in the northern Malaysian state of Penang have arrested 70 men including locals, Americans, Europeans and a Chinese national on Saturday night following a raid at a gay sauna on the mainland, and a gay sauna and two massage parlours in Georgetown on Penang island.

The Star newspaper on Monday published a photograph showing men at Midlands Park being rounded up to be taken to the state contingent police headquarters for questioning.
The Star newspaper reported on Monday that the police had stumbled on the parties while on a "blitz to weed out vice activities" while the raid in Seberang Jaya near Butterworth was based on public tip-offs.

According to sources Fridae contacted about the raids, the gay sauna in Seberang Jaya was raided for the first time although they have been operating for more than five years. The raid is also the first on mainland. About 45 men were detained at the Bukit Mertajam police station after the raid. All except the sauna owner, staff and two patrons who were not caught in a sexual act but literally "pants down" in the dark room during the raid have been released on Monday. They face up to 20 years imprisonment and whipping if convicted under Section 377A of the Penal Code which prohibits "carnal intercourse against the order of nature."

The owner may face charges for having pornographic materials such as DVDs and magazines that were being sold at the sauna, and additional charges for pirated non-pornographic DVDs.

The Star report quoted the police who said they found used condoms, pornography DVDs, gay magazines, lube and boxes of condoms although sources deny the presence of used condoms and lube.

The 10 men arrested at the gay sauna in Georgetown, which has been raided five times in the past, have been released and will not be charged. According to Fridae's source, the Police did not find anything questionable at the premises.

The source also told Fridae that there were no sex parties in progress during the police raids although it was reported in local and foreign media as such.

"There were no sex parties going on. In fact, the raids in last Nov and May this year weren't sex parties. It was just regular business hours for saunas and massage parlours. Perhaps it's the media's deliberate attempt to sensationalise the stories." Said the source who declined to be named. "One can just go to a gay sauna to relax, socialise or work out; not all go for sex."

In two recent high-profile cases, police raided and arrested 14 men in a fitness and sauna centre in May this year while 37 men were arrested at a "sex party" held at a fitness centre-cum-sauna last Nov.

Malaysia

Reader's Comments

1. 2008-11-03 21:02  
too bad,

Came to Bank-cock... we have alot foryou...
2. 2008-11-03 21:39  
see what happens when they are late on the bribery payments...malaysia boleh, dengan rasuah, malaysia lebih boleh.
3. 2008-11-03 22:00  
sigh here we go again
notice the last article on penang here on fridae was also about a similar raid... and they wonder why the tourism campaigns aren't having the desired effects
4. 2008-11-03 22:56  
the penang police seem to be intent on locking up fags while the murderers rapists and robbers roam free. i guess they want to look like they are working -- prepare a big media blitz so the lazy pigs look like they work once in a while.
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8. 2008-11-04 00:19  
This just reminds me more why I shouldn't step foot on malaysian soil
9. 2008-11-04 00:52  
well...
welcome to truly asia anyway...
10. 2008-11-04 02:33  
Geez, I wonder what the fuss is about. By now, it is clear nothing that happens in Malaysia or Singapore is of any surprise. The only difference between these 2 backward showoffs, is that one dresses up better than the other, and the other struggling to keep up by calling itself" truly asia"... zzzz. Historically, they are of the same piece of cloth. Both have kampong mentality

Countries where X-tians and Islamic fundamentals hold power is where strife and trouble begins. It's just in their religious culture to separate the "good" from the "evil" (YAWN).

Countries like Thailand and Buddhist/Taoist practicing cultures like China/Taiwan/HK always pledge tolerance and harmony.

As much as possible, I never visit anti gay countries unless for unfortunate business reasons. I may be one, but I believe eventually, enough of those who believe in working together to save our own kind will pay off. It will. Just gotta do it !



11. 2008-11-04 02:42  
The more police raids on Malaysian soil, the less gay tourists coming to Malaysia. Who is the boss anyway, you or the police authorities in Penang?


12. 2008-11-04 02:48  
Remind me never to set foot in Malaysia!
Hey! Singapore was bad enough!
Gimme Hong Kong and China any day!
13. 2008-11-04 03:00  
the reason retirement for me is always in another country! ... one that is less arrogant, pretentious, self righteous and proud! ... hello New Zealand! ... hello Canada! ;)
14. 2008-11-04 03:03  
maybe the gay police in malaysia can band together and raid the brothels once in a while... just to even the score? LOL!
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17. 2008-11-04 06:51  
ENDLESS GAY PERSECUTION IN MALAYSIA


The current Malaysia government has continued their scape-goating of gay people and Section 377 even after 1998 and 2007 attempted to smear DSAI political career. Despite the rather obvious political nature of the government's prosecution of its leading proponent of democratic reforms, the prejudice against homosexuals is so severe that Anwar was discredited.

Gay people have no one to speak up for them in Malaysia. Even academic researchers are intimidated by being dependent upon government appointments and funding. Faculty at Malaysian universities are prohibited from 'engaging in political activity.' For example, several teachers were dismissed by the government's Teaching Service Commission
just for assigning students to debate political policies in a debate competition. Without any public discourse on the subject of equal rights for homosexuals, there is little opportunity for changing the attitudes of the public or government authorities.


Therefore, since homosexuality is considered an affront to Islam, any news relating to gay and lesbian rights, especially including calls for ending discrimination against homosexuals, is suppressed. This kind of police raiding, aided and abetted by a scandal-hungry media, continues. For example, at recent Malaysia moral police raid on gay parties on November 1,2008 at 5:30pm , and at 7:30pm on November 4, 2007, police raided a
gay party in Penang, and brought along reporters who took pictures of the gay men at this party. The police claimed there was sex going on at this party, though all of the photos that were made as soon as the police burst into the scene showed the men all fully clothed. Participants said that it was a purely social gathering, and denied
there was any sex going on. Whether there was sexual behavior or not, what is important is that this was a private gathering of consenting adults in a closed private business.

By defining homosexuality as 'vice' this 'Operation Clean' demonstrates the
extreme discrimination against gay people in Malaysia. Gay Malaysians living in exile responded that Operation Clean should be used to clean up rampant government corruption, and that police would be more useful in cleaning up the dirty streets of the city than in persecuting gay people. The fact that homosexuals are so commonly arrested is itself a sentence of punishment.


A person who is arrested for a crime in Malaysia often has to wait in jail for a long time, sometimes up to eight years, before being brought to trial. Guards regularly beat prisoners. Torture of prisoners is justified by the sentence of being flogged with a cane that is often meted out by the courts. This practice of caning is so severe that prisoners often faint from the pain, and are left with permanent scars. In the case of prisoners who are homosexual, the extensive publicity regarding government condemnation of homosexuality has sent the message to the police and others that
persecution of homosexuals is acceptable.


http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/article.php?articleid=2328&viewarticle=1


http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/article.php?articleid=2326&viewarticle=1


http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/world/malaysia/malaysia.htm


Stop persecution now against sexual minorities, and restore full equality for all. Every life has equal value. LBGT right is human right.


To support "Campaign Against Homophobia Malaysia", please reach me at equality.justice@gmail.com

For Equality & Justice,

Nellsen Jong
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19. 2008-11-04 07:29  
Hmmm ... Well, the incident a backward incident indeed .... but then to say Malaysia or Singapore is of any surprise...difference between these 2 backward showoffs ...... HK always pledge tolerance and harmony ........ even drag in religion .... What's this got to do with the whole backward incident ???

Wonder why some here are like an old record of begone years, always playing the same old tunes .... settling old scores ....

I am against geniune discrimations, but to link everything together from religion to government blah blah blah is as stinky as the Chinese foot binding cloth of begone days.
20. 2008-11-04 08:03  
With all the views here, for me it is plain & simple. Instead of cleaning up all that matters most, our authorities delights in small menial acts to "show" the public they are doing their work. And of course, from tip to toe our society is filled with lies, which includes the media sometimes. All we should do as individuals is to use our own intellect to view and make an opinion of this world and happenings around us. DO NOT SIMPLY BELIEVE IN WHAT OTHERS SAY... or report for this matter.

If homosexuals is making up of 10% of the world's population, don't we all like to see 10 "straight" parlours raided for every 1 gay parlour being persecuted? Truly a classic case of the majority "right & decent" discriminating against the minority "always wrong & indecent"! As if there are no used condoms, DVDs & sex magazines in those "decent" straight spas / saunas.
21. 2008-11-04 09:19  
And this is what they said:

"There are no laws against homosexuality in Malaysia but acts such as sodomy and oral sex are illegal."

Can u imagine homo life without sodomy and oral sex...? LOL
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23. 2008-11-04 10:34  
The Malaysia Police should concentrate their resources in catching snatch thieves, rapists, robbers, corrupted officials and god knows who else. Why are they targetting law abiding gays who are not hurting members of the public, pay taxes and minding their business.
24. 2008-11-04 11:23  
Lol@all the comments on Msia. Yeah, I agree with you guys. Basically trying to show that they are doing something, and probably the bribes came too late this time.

Just walking along in certain parts of Msia and I get propositioned by girls in flowery clothing to "go upstairs for a massage". I don't see the hardworking, efficient Malaysian police doing anything about these in-your-face vice dens.

And I've experienced blatant extortion there when I was just like, 17. They love to target the youngsters for just a few miserable dollars.

Do something about your unsafe streets, Malaysia, before you start cracking down on gay vice dens.
25. 2008-11-04 12:02  
To Singaporeans & Malaysians: Why do you put up with it? Throw your bloody backward Governments OUT - (maybe a ban on religion might be a good start as most anti-gay BS stems from Christianity/Muslim/Islam's screwed up beliefs with Victorian principles as a topping!!) Gee and I thought this was the 21st Century!)
If you complain about a thing but do nothing, you have - in essence - AGREED to it.
Come live in NZ - everyone has the same rights - gay, bi str8, irrespective of gender or race.
26. 2008-11-04 12:28  
Post #17 traisoon says (Posted : 04 November 2008 9:19) : And this is what they said:
"There are no laws against homosexuality in Malaysia but acts such as sodomy and oral sex are illegal."
Can u imagine homo life without sodomy and oral sex...?

Why not ? Two gay guys sitting together knitting and telling each other bed time stories lor ...hahahah just kidding..

27. 2008-11-04 12:31  
Post #10 arthurg says (Posted : 04 November 2008 2:48) :
Remind me never to set foot in Malaysia!
Hey! Singapore was bad enough!
Gimme Hong Kong and China any day!
Hellooo Arthurg , you mean you do not enjoy Singapore ??? How come ??? maybe you were in the wrong crowd. MOve with the right crowd and u see the real side of gay singapore. hahahhaah
28. 2008-11-04 13:22  
Post #20 BaddDD , we want a change. But this is a democratic process . If the majority, fuelled by the gross indencency of some gay vocal minorities, we are fighting a losing battle.

The only way to change is to change the mindset and at the comments by most here with fight with their D*** and A***, it's a long uphill road ahead.
29. 2008-11-04 13:23  
I got informed that, those cops who involved with this raid is came from Bukit Aman . Maybe they just wana claimed the mileage ?? so, where do we go next ?? :(
30. 2008-11-04 14:52  
Seems like the "moral" police are winning the battle in Malaysia, that's so sad. First the laughable 'tomboy behavior ban', then now this.
Post #4 Gaymonk- so funny, yet so true lol
31. 2008-11-04 15:44  
and so what do we learn about gay life in malaysia?. it really just shows that unless u are a bumiputra, islamic and straight, there is no place for u. nvd the bigotry, racial intolerance, bribery, rampant snatch thefts, moronic politics, and mat rempits etc etc all over the place.
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33. 2008-11-04 16:00  
You wacky Malaysians again lolol.

This is why, I wouldn't set foot in this Allah forsaken backwards country when I visit Southeast Asia. It's turning into the US!
34. 2008-11-04 16:00  
This is so shocking!! I just moved to KL last August and I'm not sure if KL would be spared from this barbarity. My sister actually warned me about Malaysia, but the pay was really good, I couldn't see beyond the money. I know about the racism from decades ago, and NOW THIS!!

I came from Manila, and Filipinos are not exactly forgiving about homosexuality ... but where compassion is lacking, tolerance is abundant ... Any civilized person would at least tolerate what they do not understand, no one is begging for understanding, even from those with ardent faith (Islam or Christian) ... But for chrissakes, leave us alone!!

And besides, I don't really think tolerance has a chance in a place where people seem to be used to imposing their own gods to others ... classic example is the fight between girlongirl and gymhotbod ... who would win? hmmm ... stay tuned ...

But on the contrary, this has helped me decide why I should move to Canada after my contract here expires ...

For gays who just want to be gay, continue on being one ... The best resistance is being who we are!!
35. 2008-11-04 16:19  
and one minute i though it's news from 1950s...
sad.......
36. 2008-11-04 16:37  
What Next in this place!! I was going to visit here . Forget it !! Taiwan, BKK here I come.... Give it a decade and this place will be a nightmare for non muslims.... Good Luck>>>>>>
37. 2008-11-04 16:38  
I truly feel sorry for any gay man living in malaysia ! Do they start knocking on your front doors next ?
38. 2008-11-04 16:39  
With more and more of these meaningless raids now being conducted I'm beginning to wonder if Malaysia is as safe a place as one thought. One big reason I moved here for a while was the fact that despite homosexuality being illegal, the authorities sort of looked the other way. I guess that was better than nothing at all at the time.

Been here three years and it just looks like the dogmatic, ultra-purist view of the government seems to be going from bad to worse.

I just can't fathom how sex between two consenting adults can go against any religion on earth.
39. 2008-11-04 16:52  
"Whether there was sexual behavior or not, what is important is that this was a private gathering of consenting adults in a closed private business."
This is so true.

What goes on behind closed doors is none of anyones business and for police to go out looking for action is discusting.
More reason why i am now very reluctant to visit Malaysia, not so much because of these stupid raids but the general attitude towards us there.
40. 2008-11-04 17:11  
i wouldnt visit malaysia again. why the police is doing all this moved, wiping out all PLU. Although is against the law. who started the fire? As long as PLU dont do it in public, it should be ok right. dont all of you agreed.
41. 2008-11-04 17:20  
The other thing that angers me is that while sodomy in Malaysia is banned, it also includes anal sex between men and women. You don't hear of the police raiding homes of straight couples or other private gathering. In fact they are not even looking for these so called "law-breakers". Let's face it, it's not like straight couples don't indulge in a little rough-riding or back-door entry every so often.
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43. 2008-11-04 18:28  
Using a " stinky as the Chinese foot binding cloth of begone days" to wipe that verbal diarrhea mouth of yours is way too good for you old hag. Stick to your tampons old queen, it may upgrade you to modern times...zzz
44. 2008-11-04 18:48  
Can someone tell Lim Guan Eng that he got the votes from PLUs too.
45. 2008-11-04 19:50  
And people say money is the root of all evil....... NO, try religion. The sooner Down Syndrome wakes up to the power of the pink ringit the better for everyone.
corpun dot com
46. 2008-11-04 22:00  
Slytherin: I think KL is fine, the gay crowd there is quite large. I go shopping and clubbing there once in a while, and it's fantabulous as a weekend citified shopping clubbing place.

Then again, I'm not sure about living there, but I have some gay friends who live there and they still seem fine.

On another note: I'm seriously considering moving to New Zealand or the Netherlands where everyone is treated the same.. The only downside - I'm an 'international buffet' kind of person, but I'm not sure if there are enough asian boys there. :S
47. 2008-11-04 22:11  
damn... I have always had a secrete fantasy of being arrested by an Asian police officer and taken to jail for intimate questioning LOL
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49. 2008-11-04 23:19  
To Weekday #37.
Yup we have plenty of beautiful gay Asian guys here in NZ from all over Asia. 23% of Auckland's population is Asian and more are coming "out" every day because here, it's OK :)
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51. 2008-11-04 23:24  
i'm juz wondering is there any victims from the raid would like to share their encounters? Can $ solve the problem??
52. 2008-11-04 23:47  
Reply to Post #18 BaddDD says (Posted : 04 November 2008 12:02) and to all of you reading this article.

You can call me a foolish guy or simply un-educated but I do know there are lots of research and publications seeking for the truth of homosexuality for Christians. God is certainly NOT against PLU. It is only until the early 20th century was homosexuality being prosecuted in Europe and generally the Western world. From ancient times the "gay" sub-culture has been thriving in all Europe and Asia.

The most important truth is that God loves us all humankind, whether male, female, straight, gay, transexual, disabled, whatever colour and whatever language, creed or ethnicity.

It's only evil people who are using religion as a reason to create a purist society and to instill fear on others to conform to their own narrow minded thinking. Others may be for greed or power so they can stay in a self myopic "higher" position to "rule" over others.
53. 2008-11-04 23:52  
wow...the police-man in blue shirt really turn me on, too bad none of the gay captured are nice, no offense....let them in jail for a while lah, they are too ugly to be on the street :) wakakakkakaa
54. 2008-11-05 00:28  
I like Malaysia and the people their especially the GAY community in KL, so its sad to read this. Its hard enough to be GAY in Malaysia then to start to be hassled when in a Sauna that is discreet. Pity the Malaysian Police dont use there energy focusing on Crime and Corruption and keeping their country safer, than hassling an innocent minority causin no real harm. Obviously still back in the DARK AGES in 2008 very Sad Indeed!
55. 2008-11-05 01:45  
well that settles it for me. Malaysia's off the toursim list. Not that the sauna's a destination but that the government's so intolerant. I'll spend my $5-10 US dollars in Thailand, Taiwan, SG, Japan....etc.
56. 2008-11-05 01:52  
That's thousands of dollars....sorry for mistake
57. 2008-11-05 03:32  
im sure is the comparetitor do call the police is because they bussiness is better to other gay sauna, but i don't really understand why the police so free? is it no money? any gay police if read this, please let gay life more freeedom, i believe sure got return, THANKS!
58. 2008-11-05 06:30  
Ah Post #34 jammyboi, yes I am old at 45. To call me old hag is too nice as hardly you know me. Everyone here will turn old like me and aging is a wonderfull process. You will get old too. You do have an issue with people who are old huh. Karma will catch up with you :) Why you have been ganged by older guys during one of thsoe days when you decide to drag in Singapore and you love it ??
59. 2008-11-05 08:48  
Reply to Silverspear Post #41 - Ahhh let me elaborate on what I said: I don't have an issue with God or any ascended masters, ie Jesus Christ, Bhudda etc: my issue is with the heretic MEN who are your current and past religious leaders who have distorted what "God wants". None of these idiots know what God wants. I don't see any bolts of lightening coming down and zapping gays - (just these ignorant fools carrying out their own agendas in "God's name"). Every culture going back thousands of years (including your own) never had a problem with homosexuality until religion ie MEN, intervened. They have far too much power because YOU the people have let them! WE ARE GOD'S CREATION TOO! But sitting on your asses and praying isn't going to change anything.
Sorry to say it - but if you want your rights and your freedom, you may have to be prepared to do your own version of Stonewall. Enough is enough.
And on a finer point: who are your larger population? Your govt? The corrupt Police? Religious leaders? I would suggest that gays or gay-friendly persons far outnumber all of these morons put together. If you want change, then CHANGE it. Like I said - get rid of them. Kick them out. Take away their power. No-one said it would be easy.
60. 2008-11-05 09:22  
I feel sorrow for our brothers in Malaysia...this news report has angered and distrubed a lot of PLU's, as is quite evident in the comments below. As I sit on my old, wrinkled ass and pray for those oppressed in Malaysia, (and I believe praying WILL help) it is also true that a door of opportunity has been opened in Malaysia for PLU's to stand up, speak out and do whatever they can do to begin to eliminate their oppression. It is the (power hungry, self-important, greedy) RELIGIOUS MEN who are the root and cause of this homophobia...not the religion itself, not god, not "evil". Find the way to take away their power. Expose their lies.
61. 2008-11-05 11:27  
As an ex-Malaysian now residing in Toronto, Canada, it is really sad to see how GLBT in Malaysia are often being targeted by these ruthless police. It is even more upsetting to see a government who has violated the very fundamental of The Charter of Human Rights and Freedom.
I am planning to visit Malaysia next year but will skip now and head to Thailand instead.
62. 2008-11-05 12:39  
usually all sauna have sex inside as i know but it gonna be by personals not for arrangement from the management of the sauna ..
and no body is responsible about what other body do. right or not ?
63. 2008-11-05 12:50  
It's really sad to read this column as the Malaysia police have nothing else today but just keep eyes in gay scene. Crime not solve but keep searching unnecessary work to do to full filled, so call "their duty". What a shame!
If gay is really a sin, ask yourself, why there is a crime in this world till today never been solve? Why all the bad guys still alive? Then I think all these bad guy should be banish then, as its against God Wills. As God want this world in peace and harmony. Look at the world nowadays, human actually created their owner disaster to destroy themselve. Especially global warming. Don't you guys agree?
God actually is Merciful and Bountiful and Forgiveness. Or else you think you can stay alive in this earth? No way. If gay is sin again, I think those straight man are even sinner than us.
On new testament on Matthew 5:27 till 5:30 stated for Adultery, You have heard that it was said, "Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
On the 5:31 till 5:32, Divorce. "It has been said,'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become a adulteress, and anyone who married the divorced woman commits adultery."
Please do read the above for straight men and women. Oh My God!! What an all SINNERS in this world!! Ironic huh? AS they always said gay are sinner in bible stated but how about those SO CALLED NORMAL PEOPLE? THEY ARE SINNERS TOO, ALL GO TO HELL. Most of the straight man will said, oh, I already asked God to forgive me, and I had forgiven. Try to ask yourself, WHICH STRAIGHT MAN NEVER FUCK AROUND WHEN WIFE NOT AROUND OR PREGNANT? WHO STRAIGHT MAN NEVER GO TO GET A WHORE TO ENJOY THEIR LIFE?HAHAHA... Oh My God..... Oh My God!! Ha ha.. what a beautiful sinner like a Devil Wears Prada!! Then if gay ask for forgiveness our answer are not going to be bless? How pitiful foolish man talk. You know why I said this, cause in this column had stated, on Matthew 18:21 till 18: 35, THE PARABLE OF THE UNMERCIFUL SERVANT.
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked,"Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered,"I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owned him ten thousand talents was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. The servant fell on knees before him. 'Be patient with me,' he begged, 'I will pay back everything.' The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. But when the servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owned him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him," Pay back what you owe me!" he demanded. His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.'
But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. When the other servants saw what happened, they were greatly dis-stressed and went and told their master everything that had happened. Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, "I canceled all that debts of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
THis is how my heavenly Father will will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from you heart."
Look... above story in bible loud and clear, as FORGIVENESS ONLY WILL BE GIVEN BY THEE FATHER IF ONLY YOUR FORGIVE YOUR BROTHER'S FROM YOUR HEART. Hmm... I wonder if any these man will do this. So... stop arguing you are being forgiven, pathetic man. IF YOU NOT FORGIVE GAY FROM YOUR HEART, THEE FATHER IN HEAVEN WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU TOO AS YOU STAY IN THE SAME PLANET, SHARE THE SAME PROPERTIES OF GOD.
So, do not simply judge on people are they right or wrong. Cause again in the bible, new testament on Matthew 7:1 to 7:6 had stated on Judging Others:
"Do not judge, or you too will be judge. For the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not thrown your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn to tear you to pieces.
As simple as the story above, major of us like to judge who so and who so. Same as what happen to the case happens as above. Cause they always thought is right, only they are right. So, THEY JUST A HYPOCRITE. As the above story stated in early about forgiveness, is 7 times by 70 times. Did you know how much is that figure will be? Is a billion! Billion, my man! What does it mean? Is an open heart to accept the facts as long as others not interfere your life! This column had the same meaning as what Buddha, Lao Tze, even Islamic itself, called unlimited forgiveness.
That's the reasons why in the Bible New Testament, on Matthew 6:5 had stated on the prayer and this is how we should pray. "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And leads us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." Then continue from the 6:14 to 6:15, For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Again, loud and clears the above prayer way same as Buddha wish THE MORTAL WORLD TRANSFORMS TO THE LOTUS WORLD. Lotus is pure and define although it growth from the dirt.
This is my first time I post here as I really felt sad on what our govern done. But i hope our brothers in here understood what I try to say. Please forgive me if i said anything offends your feeling here. May God light shine upon you and bless you all. Cheers...
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66. 2008-11-05 15:09  
Hey JeffLu, don't worry. Admittedly yr post's a tad long & yr grammar far from perfect (sorry dude), BUT what you've written actually touches my heart. :)))
67. 2008-11-05 15:58  
Section 377A of the Penal Code which prohibits "carnal intercourse against the order of nature."

Is there a law which can be used against those ignorant Muslims for persecution of other human beings against the order of nature? Why does a religion have so much power in the administration of government and why does it have to be so oppressive? If a religion is as good and natural as they claim it to be then why do they have to be so intimidating to its own citizens? All radical religions are against the order of nature and those affected ought to act to take away their power.
68. 2008-11-05 16:11  
Regarding Post #28 ausman12. I planned a 2 week holiday in Malaysia in October. I headed to KL. Well it's certainly not a nice place- so grungy and dirty. I didn't like the place at all. To top it off I just happened to arrive during Hari Raya which meant many places closed and my Malaysian friend advised not going up-country. I ended up spending most of my 2 weeks holiday inThailand which is far far better than anything I have seen in KL. Sorry Malaysia but you are NOT the real asia.
69. 2008-11-05 18:18  
Gee. I'm find it quite revolting that post 42 finds this incident amusing .....and makes smart arse comments on the physical appearnace of those arrested. Grow up ....
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71. 2008-11-06 03:07  
I think Malaysia should be boycotted by all tourists for human rights abuses.
We can see here that in this case, Malaysia is truly an anti-democratic authoritarian state.
I will advise my parents,friends, neighbors , the national and international press not to visit until positive change happens.
Is Malaysia really TRULY asia as it's tourism slogan boasts?
72. 2008-11-06 08:28  
I'm in the opinion that the same thing (the raid) will happen too, say in China or India & even Taiwan if these parlours get "out of hand".

Regardless of any country, the authorities will take action where there are information based on drug abuse, prostitution or any illegal activities that take place based on the facts of case.
Singapore notwithstanding.

To conclude, it will be totally immature to boycott a certain country just b'cos their Authorities clamped down such places. The truth is NOT always known to the public & that's the way the system work.

Consider this: the (minority) spas in Singapore is open to cater PLUs in order to contain the cruising grounds in the country. Hence, if one misbehave & starts to trade illegal activities amongst the other (within spa), don't point your finger at the Authority. You're no less than a criminal like any ordinary convict does.
73. 2008-11-06 10:37  
This is really concerning for the gay and lesbian population of Malaysia.

I sincerely hope that other communities in countries less restricted will stand firm in solidarity and do all we can to support them. Write to your MP, lobby your government and most importantly bear witness to these human rights violations!

For travellers, whenever and wherever you go it pays to know the law regarding homosexuality etc. It's not worth getting lashings or worth.
74. 2008-11-06 10:38  
correction... "or worse" ^_^
75. 2008-11-06 14:35  
Glad I dont live in facist malaysia! I'm agnostic...I hate all religions equally.
76. 2008-11-06 19:08  
I have checked out the web site:

http://www.tourismmalaysia.gov.my/

and can find no reference warning PLU not to visit Malaysia.

Or warning that natural acts between like minded consenting adult men in a discreet private location could result in arrest, imprisonment and corporal punishment.

As aircraft approach Malaysia passengers are warned that some crimes result in capital punishment, maybe they should now tag on and for any GLBT on board please note that you are liable to be flogged - welcome to Malaysia and have a pleasant stay.

Malaysia is NOT truly asia, which is sad as it has the potential to be a great country and has fabulous people...in our community at least! Tourists should not be too discouraged by these bigots but really why boost the economy of the intollerant when other Asian countries welcome us with open arms, something the Tourism Minister may like to answer?
77. 2008-11-06 20:18  
most people i know are planning to leave malaysia ... in time, not only gays and lesbians and transexuals are minorities ... the chinese will be too ... and of course the indians are already feeling the heat ... regrettably, if the majority doesnt want change, the minorities will be facing a tough battle for one ... not a pretty picture ...

78. 2008-11-07 13:02  
Once again, Im curious about the legal authority from our neighbor raiding gay sauna as its so regular that its not uncommon. There are far more reported cases of robbery, bribery and rape unresolve nor commentable improvement. Instead of devoting tax payers resources on truely criminal acts, efforts are deprived to criminalize consent conduct of adults in private?
79. 2008-11-07 19:35  
Hey Boys,

I think you all have the wrong approach! it doesn;t help if you all evade and avoid Malaysia. Instead you should go there and show your pride!!!

That helps much more to open the society for PLU people.

There would not be any PLU liberation in the world if all had run away or hidden somewhere!
80. 2008-11-08 11:02  
Sorry birdie333, I won't be going to Malaysia and "showing my pride". I don't want to be loked up in a Malaysian jail and dealt with harshly just because I am open about my sexuality. I would rather support those countries that are tolerent if not accepting of gay people. Besides, on my holidays I like to enjoy myself rather than being a politcal activist risking my freedom in a social backwater like Malaysia.

Instead of marketing itself as The Real Asia perhaps they ought to try some truth in marketing and go for something like Come Straight to Malaysia, or Be Happy But Not Gay - insh'allah
81. 2008-11-10 14:50  
Post #66 andy370- U have a good point.
Malaysia (the country, not the ppl- bless them)
is indeed proud of being a cultural backwater.
So just leave her alone.
82. 2012-04-20 08:14  
83. 2012-04-20 08:33  
malaysian gays are going to have to get on the streets and fight for their rights same as happened in the west. while everyone is worried what their parents might think then being gay will always be able to be exploited by polititians and religeous leaders for their own ends.yes this may be dangerous at times but at what cost can you all pretend to be nise little straight boys to please mummy and daddy.you would have the support of most of the world which wasnt the case for the people who fought for gay rights in the west....as someone else said here you all need to get political.if this can happen in india it can also happen in malaysia...sadly yourve yourve got islam to contend with,and all its barbaric and seductive(to the simple minded) beliefs .stand tall and fight

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