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5 Feb 2009

Updated: 6 men charged in teen sex case (Singapore)

The first of the six men who were charged last week has been sentenced to four months imprisonment.

Updated Feb 11, 2009:

According to the LianHe Zaobao (联合早报) today, Quek Hock Seng, a 42-year-old former travel agent, pleaded guilty to one charge under Section 377A of the Penal Code which criminalises "any act of gross indecency" between male persons. He was sentenced to four months imprisonment. The maximum penalty is two years.

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The following report has been updated on Feb 6, 2009:

Singapore's Mandarin-language daily LianHe Zaobao (联合早报) reported today that the six men were charged on Jan 29, 2009 for sexual acts against the order of nature and gross indecency with the same 15-year-old boy in 2006 and 2007. It is not known when the men will be sentenced.

According to a media background brief published by the Attorney-General's Chambers, the six accused persons are believed to have met the student while chatting on the Internet.

The news report stated that the men were charged under the old Section 377 as the offences occurred before the Penal Code (Amendment) Act took effect on Feb 1, 2008.

Under the old statute which has since been repealed, Section 377 criminalises any person who "voluntarily has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animals." The new Section 377 criminalises necrophilia.

According to a media background brief published by the Attorney-General's Chambers, Balasundaram S/O Suppiah and Ng Geng Whye are each charged with "carnal intercourse against the order of nature under Section 377" of the Penal Code. If convicted, they face life imprisonment, or jail term of up to 10 years, and are liable to be fined. The report further mentioned Ng to be a former deputy director of the Central Narcotics Bureau, former president of the Singapore Amateur DanceSport Association, and former manager at concert organiser Unusual Productions.

Quek Hock Seng and Song Choong Chen were each charged under Section 377A of the Penal Code which criminalises "any act of gross indecency" between male persons. If convicted, they face up to two years of imprisonment.

Muhammad Hafashah bin Mohd Aslam faces two charges of "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" under Section 377 and Ng Yong You, two charges of gross indecency under Section 377A.

Neither the report nor the media background brief provided any information about the specific sexual activities between the men and the teen nor did it explain why the men were charged under different laws. It is should however be noted that the penalty under Section 377 is much more severe than 377A.

The brief stated: "The Public Prosecutor will prosecute persons who exploit a young victim who is a minor, irrespective of the gender of the victim or whether the act was consensual. A young male victim, who is a minor, deserves to be accorded the same protection of the law as that given to a young female victim who is a minor."

Currently, under Section 7 of the Children and Young Persons Act, any person who commits or abets the commission of any obscene or indecent act with any child or young person aged 15 or younger may face imprisonment up to two years and/or a fine up to S$5,000 for first-time offenders.

The new Section 376A of the Penal Code provides for more severe penalties with imprisonment of up to 10 years or with fine or with both for more serious sexual offences including oral and anal sex with minors under 16 years of age.

In October 2007, Section 377 which criminalised "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" between persons of non-specified gender was repealed as a result of a wide ranging Penal Code Amendment Bill. Section 377A which criminalises "any act of gross indecency" between male persons with a penalty of up to two years jail was however retained despite a high profile campaign by the gay community and Nominated Member of Parliament Siew Kum Hong. He tabled and presented a parliamentary petition signed by 2,519 Singaporeans and Singapore residents who support the repeal of Section 377A.

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Reader's Comments

1. 2009-02-06 02:31  
:'(
2. 2009-02-06 02:39  
:(
3. 2009-02-06 02:46  
So sad to hear all these things happened again in Singapore! If u know the law in sg, don't do it!


4. 2009-02-06 03:42  
To be fair - the law in almost every place would frown upon "sexual relations with a 15yo"
5. 2009-02-06 04:44  
It's legal in quite a few countries in Europe though... ;-)

though in most countries here its 16.
6. 2009-02-06 05:55  
I'm not sure of the point of posting this article in here.
Is it that men are still being charged under 377 in sg?
The teenager is just 15yo, the men should have known better than to have sex with a minor, be him guy or girl.
7. 2009-02-06 06:01  
It's known as paedophelia!
8. 2009-02-06 06:37  
Vile pigs should be shot dead !
9. 2009-02-06 08:06  
Well.....Now the public can read that people who were top executives and married can also be homosexuals,l and worst still, paedophiles.
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11. 2009-02-06 09:07  
What an unfortunate series of events. Reports like this one do tend to put the rest of us law abiding, respectable and compassionate homosexuals in a bad light. We all must be ever mindful that a child should be given the opportunity to BE A CHILD and grow into his/her sexuality naturally, with his/her peers, and at the age at which a country or government defines as "appropriate" or "legal". Although adolescents are often extremely physically attractive, while their hormones are often raging out of their control and interest in sex borders on the obsessive, we adults need to keep our hands (and other body parts) off of them, and admire their beauty from a safe and legal distance.
My heart goes out to the men who are now embattled with the Singaporean penal system.
12. 2009-02-06 10:04  
"It's known as paedophelia!"

No it is not. That is not padophelia. Peadophelia is sex with pre pubescent children.
13. 2009-02-06 10:54  
Too bad such incidents have occurred and put PLU like us in such a bad light.

Honestly I am not sure who is to be blamed. It can either be these dirty old man ( pardon my pun) or these young , raging hormones young lads. I have actually seen young boys throwing themselves at matured men , hoping to have a fling r two and at the same time some nice little pressies. So if they are caught , who do we blame ?

I know these underage kids need to be protected and I a totally for it. But come on , which cat does not eat fish , if thrown to them. We need to see the whole case in it's whole perspective. If not one day these underage kids can even set a trap and poor men like us are caught with our pants down ...hahahah

Again , laws are but laws - just abide by it and ,ove on .
14. 2009-02-06 10:59  
There are underaged predators in both straight and gay communities. They come and they go (to jail).

Unfortunately, since most gays are in the closet, the public only saw the negative side of us.

But why is 377A still invoked when parliament already states they will not be using this law? Should these people be tried under a common underaged predator law for straights and gays?
15. 2009-02-06 11:05  
Hmm does ALL the 6 men involved with the same 15 yr old? Was it gangbang? haha

Jokes aside. Assuming if all the men don't know each other, and they met the same 15 yr old on different occasions, and it is said that they met online, I can't help but to wonder what exactly did the out of control raging testesterone 15 year old offered online?

It takes two to clap. And don't tell me NONE of you desired twinks if offered, regardless knowing the law or not.

EAsier said than done, I quote, "If u know the law in sg, don't do it! " Likewise, we all know having anal/poppers/E/public bathroom sex even possesion of pornography are all against the law in Singapore. Don't tell me you guys NEVER did such things EVER despite knowing the law?

Just looking from an unbiased, outsider point of view because it seems that the notion is set to make the 6 Men look real guilty (this of cse, followed by ppl cheering and posting "they should've known better" comments) when it really is, it takes 2 to tango. I can close one eye if the 15 yr old did it with just one guy. But 6 different guys? He clearly knows what he was doing.
16. 2009-02-06 11:08  
For the record, its not paedophiles. The so called "Victim" is a 15 yr old, not 5.
17. 2009-02-06 13:23  
you know, matahari_gar brings up a very good point (likely to be missed or ignored by the SG legal system however). Here is a 15 year old boy, who'd had sexual encounters with 6 different men (that we know of). Yes, maybe the boy's hormones were indeed raging totally out of control and he was empowered by the internet to lure in sexual partners using his youth, beauty or even by lying about his age. But the rest of us are not excused from exercising ever increasing caution when hooking up with young guys and girls. It does indeed take two hands to clap; however, let this report serve as a wake-up call to ALL of us....be sensible; be careful; don't play with fire expecting never to get burned. This is not an episode out of QAF...this is real life, and in real life, real people go to jail.
18. 2009-02-06 14:02  
If this 15 years old boy know how to go those chat site and he is the one who offering to these men, i dont think these men should take the charges, authorities should send him to some camp or something to change his psychology. Cos it might think other underage kids to have the impression such as they are ok to have sex with older guys and in the end if they are not happy with anything older persons are the ones to be blame. This is the best time to do the right sex education to the teenage. Not go and charge all the people who have sex with him.
19. 2009-02-06 14:53  
According to me, both parties are guilty. I mean the 15 year old boy and the men who had sex with him. Maybe the boy did not know the law, but he was aware of what he was doing, 'luring' men in his bed, going in their arms... But the other men must have known that the boy was in fact not an adult... They should have controlled themselves and not fall into the 'trap' of the boy.
I think the boy too should be followed by a psychologist. I mean, it's not really normal that a boy so young has sex with all those guys...
Anyway we also don't know the boy's background etc...
20. 2009-02-06 15:00  
Am I the only one here prepared to admit that when I was 15 I was having sex with people my own age and older..?
21. 2009-02-06 15:04  
It's not about being ' A WILLING PARTY ' but those men should have known better not to get involved with a 15 years old boy.
22. 2009-02-06 15:05  
Not forgetting this law breaking crime, the boy will be mentally tormented by his parents for shocking them that he had sex with six men. His parents must be very angry and disappointed in him. I wonder how he is coping at home.
23. 2009-02-06 15:36  
i cant help but admit i am a little scared by some (gay!) people here, blaming the teenboy or any of these guys for having consesual gay sex. no wonder singapoor is the way it is: a christian-moslem-konfucian-southeasasian-fascist disney world. whats the big deal about people having fun with each other.
thank god (or whom ever) theres lots of tons of water between my island and yours!

24. 2009-02-06 15:42  
"Carnal intercourse against the order of nature? ......When 1,500 species indulge in homosexual activity, how can it be "against the order of nature" ???
25. 2009-02-06 17:28  
Having lived in SG and still being there on a regular basis, I wholeheartedly agree with eurxpress...

and sure, its not a paedophilia case at all, as the boy is already 15 and he carries at least 50% of the guilt by prostituting himself in online gay chats.

At his age I was in boarding school having sex with my fellow room mate in the bedroom, in the showers, at the river side... erm, sorry, geting off topic here... :D
26. 2009-02-06 18:50  
it is wise to look before you sex,though the teens have the urge of the fun it is till not a good means to have anal sex. i do agree that they should be kept till 18.
27. 2009-02-06 20:19  
I agree with Post #23 Older4Asian . S377A says against the order of nature when the proof is out there that homosexuality is natural in many species. How can they argue that is is not natural in adults when ther are millions of homosexuals around the world? What it comes down to is that "against the order of nature" means "according to our religious texts" (bible/koran/talmud or whatever). Can anyone really argue that concepts developed and written by humans with particular beliefs can ever be the definitive word on what is natural? How can you argue logic with religious beleifs anyway? Religion defies logic!
28. 2009-02-06 20:23  
Hmmmm......I wonder if it is appropriate to mention Mohammed and his 14 year old bride??!!
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31. 2009-02-06 21:11  
whoa,whoa, terrificturk, take a breather n calm down...lol
if one's in singapore for long one will notice that, like in the US, people often confuse natural sexuality with sexual perversion, which is not healthy & in the long run, dangerous in that it will lead to all kinds of high-risk behavior in future...add to that the blatant hypocrisy...which btw I noticed is VERY, very common...I once knew this SG girl who claims she's never dated or had sex with a guy & she prefers women EXCLUSIVELY...until I stumbled upon her social networking profile....which told an entirely different story. And she's not the only one with the bad habit...when I was studying in a uni there, i heard- and witnessed for myself- many,
many of these outwardly goody-goody students indulging in every sin in (& outside) the book.
The despicable part? They SAY they are 'disgusted' by 'the dirty'..with a straight face a la Gillian Chung.
Then you have the other extreme, the oh-so-proud-to-be-promiscous brigade, flaunting their 'Western enlightenment' when in fact all they are doing is copying the likes of MTV & trashy celebs without comprehending the gist of a healthy sex life.
32. 2009-02-06 21:31  
Some questions: -
1. Did the 15-year old lie about his age?
2. How did the police get to know about this case?
33. 2009-02-06 21:58  
Of course man having sex with man (and woman having sex with woman) is quite natural... just because more men have sex with women doesn't make homosexuality unnatural... it just makes it the second most natural thing to do.
But, I gotta admit that I don't agree with screwing around with a 15-year old kid. Not because it's illegal but because it's just so god damn boring. Good sex requires experience and passion. Any guy who's attracted to a 15-year old is, I suspect, afraid of (or incapable of) real, sweaty, mindblowing, toe-curling mansex.
34. 2009-02-06 23:26  
redclover says:
(Posted : 06 February 2009 20:23) :
"Hmmmm......I wonder if it is appropriate to mention Mohammed and his 14 year old bride??!! "

I don't think it is relevant to this story, however, if you are talking about Ayesha, where did you get the age of 14? As I understand it she was betrothed at 6 and cohabited at 9, there are many reports on the net; however it is explained as an act of charity to look after the child.

As for the present case, where were the parents during all this? How and why did a 15 year old come to be cruising the net for old guys?
35. 2009-02-07 01:24  

When will the Singapore archaic Section 377A be abolished. A 15 year old is definitely able to decide for themselves who they want to have sex with. With Singapore government's belief in Star Trek's 'Borg Collective', it seems growth on the little island still alludes the many. How is it possible that the few can still bamboozle the many in such a small country? Then again, how can the many still let a narrow minded archaic government deprive them of their individuality?
36. 2009-02-07 04:28  
A 15 year-old is a CHILD, not an adult. No matter what society, this is still a child. 15 year-olds should be experimenting with other 15 year-olds, not men. Men, step up and be men who sleep with men, not children! We should be mentoring our young gay boys, not sleeping with them!
37. 2009-02-07 08:26  
6 people with 1 same boy?

38. 2009-02-07 08:56  
Those 6 guys should be locked away for a LONG LONG time and should have to pay a hell of a lot of money! minors are MINORS! freaks..
39. 2009-02-07 09:21  
Whoa! for all those on their moral high horse, know that one of the worlds greatest love stories "romeo & juliet" was a story about two teens under 15. i also believe that the age of consent in japan is 13yo. take off your blinkers. while we rightfully have laws to protect the exploitation of minors, we cannot judge everyone by one yardstick.
40. 2009-02-07 10:45  
Am I the only one that thinks having sexual relations with a minor is a Completely Deplorable Act.?
It doesnt matter wether you a gay or hetero..
as and adult one should KNOW BETTER.
It doesnt matter if the minor is consenting for what ever the reason... it is still MORALLY wrong.
Why would some one engage sexually with a child
when so many "Promiscuous" over 18/21 y.o's outhere are giving it away?
As adults we should be mentoring and looking after our young gay/hetero boys and girls not sleeping with them or seen them as sexual play things..

For the record I've never Fantasize or been Attracted to Twinks,
I was never interested in sex till the age of 18 I had other priorities like school work, sports and cars,and when I was sexually active I always prefer people of my age or older.
Even till this day I dont get involved (sexually)with
any one under 27 years of age.
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42. 2009-02-07 15:54  
Foxy Tara(#14) and daoness (#29) both hit the nail on the head.

If all 6 men knew he was 15 or below, then they should be responsible. What if the boy looked matured for his age. I know many who do look much older than they should. When was the last time anyone asked for an ID check b4 having fun..duh?! Don't just read the article on face value, use your heads, the one above your necks!

Having said that, this sure ain't a normal 15 year old, who's abled to hook someone senior from CNB (Central Narcotics Burea) before. Was there blackmail?

Lastly, it's Singapore & its UNIQUE "laws"; Seriously, is anything uniquely surprising anymore?..YAWN!
43. 2009-02-07 15:56  
this 15 year old boy is a POWER AUNTIE in the making! oh god, kids nowadays!
44. 2009-02-07 17:22  
ouch to those who got charged.
45. 2009-02-07 18:27  
I think one has to take in account, that the 15 yo Boy, knew what he was doing when he used the chat room.
like so many guys his age and younger, they enjoy the excitement of chatting up guys and exploring a sexual world which is legally forbidden to them.

One also has to take into account, that older adults who use the internet chat rooms like "#gaydads4sons" and others of the same elk ,Know full well what they are doing, and for sure they are not looking for older guys, for there sexual needs.

Personally I think, the adults in this case, should have used more common sense,knowing full well the strict archaic laws which prevail in Singapore. The boy whilst he is party to this case, can in some ways be be exonerated because of his age.

At the end of the day, it is the Adults in this case who disregarded the laws of Singapore, indeed they broke the laws of many countries.

but saying that I do hope that the book is not thrown at them, as that will set a president, and may well cause some enthusiasm on the part of the law enforcement agencies to pursue other cases.

further more chatting up guys of his age can leave you open to blackmail at sometime in the future.

that my two penny worth!!!!!


46. 2009-02-07 20:49  
my god. 6 men same boy? what a slut. n now playing a helpless child.
i hope he gets into trouble.

whatever la. both wrong. but please dont pretend to be a victim when obviously ur in it for the thrill too. i mean c'mon la. SIX men?

as stupid a child he is, i hope hes smart enough to have used protection.

his parents prob caught him in the act.
47. 2009-02-07 21:25  
GOOD people...straight or gay....who prey on under age ought to be charged and PUNISHED!!!!! Damn those screwed up Japanese for their love for underage sex.....all those disgusting manga shit promoting teen love and sex.
PUNISH those chee bai men !
48. 2009-02-07 22:38  
i think we need to focus, while having underage sex is deplorable, the fact is that we do have a law that criminalizes sex with a minor AND statutory rape, 2 different laws (pre amendment of the penal code). Now to treat gay men differently by charging them with the pre-repeal S377a is discriminatory regardless of their offense, because then they would have been treated differently, instead of a sex with a minor charge which a straight men would have been charged with...

THAT, is the key to the case
49. 2009-02-07 23:47  
A 15-year-old is still a minor and he/she should be protected by law. I don't know if he offered himself, but those six men should know better what the consequence would be.
50. 2009-02-08 15:36  
Simple, have sex with minors and get punished
gay or straight
its bad this happened
guys are deplorable
51. 2009-02-08 19:52  
There is no doubt that having sex with a minor is a crime by itself, be it gay or straight. However, seeing that SG has a separate law which deals with sex with minors, why charge them under S377A?

I do have to agree with Syntrophy. It just doesn't make sense as it would be lots easier for the prosecutor to prove their case if they go under the law against sex with minors.
52. 2009-02-08 22:15  
my only concern is that such and future 377a cases would be sensationalised and used to justify prejudiced views of homosexuals and the keeping of such a law. i think if you want change, a style of governance that does not value the tyranny of the majority so crudely over individual rights, you would have to vote for it.
53. 2009-02-09 05:55  
I don't live in Singapore, and - me being a gay guy - I refuse to visit it, due to it's anti-gay laws. I prefer to spend my travel money somewhere else.
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55. 2009-02-10 12:36  

This gotta raised more awareness to all

Thos whom are obsessed / fantaize with
the 'sweet / youthness and innocent young twink'

You will paid for your own action (esp if u r here in sg)

Looking into this

It is not an offence to imagine having a sexual relationship with young twink (cause there are more than enough video feature world-wide) about this

However when it is put into action
how did this gotta into the media and police attention

It quite alarming that nowthesedays

there are more of these young twink coming out in club, living a care-free live and beoming a 'diva inthe making ...and proposition themselves in the Internet / Clubbing ..... and they may looked even younger than their projected age

Now if one is offering and one is willingly
it's shouldnt be an offence

However in this case
Since the whistle is being blown ..
all 6 will to faced the music

one cant wondered
what about this young twink ??
56. 2009-02-10 17:36  
ridiculously ridiculous... i mean... yes they could have been punished but life imprisonment? isn't that a little awkward beside the one who need to be punished is that little bastard who got itchy and tease all the old man.. he deserves some arse spanking for being naughty before his age, this things work just like you are not allow to drink before 18 or 21. It just happen he got an itchy bum before his own age fellows. Ridiculous and Not making any sense!
57. 2009-02-11 23:18  
I suggest that SG governance should punished the 'young twink' in the sence that fair to everyone who involve this case.

We'll not know that fact, moreover, were that be possible that the 'young twink' OFFER such a SERVICE to 6 of them and get the EXTRA INCOME?

Hence, 6 of them have to punished under such a unfair and ridiculous act and be punished, but not the 'young twink'.

This is the MOST UNFAIR JUDGEMENT i even hear.
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59. 2009-02-12 09:20  
Post #38 jammyboi says (Posted : 07 February 2009 15:54) :

Foxy Tara(#14) and daoness (#29) both hit the nail on the head. Don't just read the article on face value, use your heads, the one above your necks!

Haha Be told! :P

Seriously I think some, not all, of the posts here are worth reading. It reflects how mentally retarded some members are.

1. I know some ppl who enjoys having sex with twinks. So what? who are you to judge what is morally wrong (like having anal is sooo morally conscientious. Same goes for public toilet cubicle quickie. I know some of you are guilty of it). Blaming Japanese and whatnots. *major roll eyes*

What if you have a fetish for daddies. Can I find you deplorable too?

2. Some say the adults should know better. Yes no doubt. Just like I know some of you had poppers or E in clubs. YOu should ahve known better than to do it since drugs are illegal, but why still do it? IN fact, with the section 377 law forbidding carnal sex axts against nature, WHY DO YOU PPL STILL DO ANAL SEX????

Hypocrisy at its BEST.

Yes, the 6 men who were caught are probably deserve to get the sentence, but honestly, the 15 year old SHOULDN'T GO UNPUNISHED. It takes TWO to clap. Perhaps he was SOLICITING?

For all you know, he could have lied and told the 6 men that he was 18.

The fact that he did it with 6, not 1, clearly shows that he KNOWS what he is doing and he wants MORE.

So so lame.
60. 2009-02-12 09:44  
I am sorry but if the kid is 15 these are NOT merely Homosexuals but they should be filed as Peadophiles........

Do NOT mistake this for gay crimes....

This is truly a form of mental sckness to want to have sex with minors!
61. 2009-02-12 10:11  
Besides all these, personally i feel Singapore is not a ''bad'' place for a gay person to live in. I grew up in Singapore as a gay boy came out at the (legal) age of 18 stayed in London for 4 years from the age of 20 and has always (and still) feel that Singapore, has very much a vibrant gay life. The authority in Singapore has honestly given as much leeway as possible in dealing with homosexuality. Bear this in mind Singapore is a unique (and awfully tiny) Asian country. And in this tiny area, Singapore has to accommodate and embrace an extremely diverse (and rich) cultures/ races and religions. Different cultures/religions view homosexuality differently. Some deplored it and some are ok with it. Some say is a retribution thing and some associate homosexuality with karma. Thus, in order to respect different views and beliefs I feel that Singapore did try its best to handle the homosexuality issues as tactfully as possible.

The fact in this case is that the 6 men did in fact have sexual relationships with a minor. And in ALL societies this is a CRIME. Regulations will always protect the minor because a Minor IS a minor. Even if the minor committed a murder he will still be judged as a MINOR. So, you can't really see it as the minor is soliciting or whether is he feeling itchy. The 6 men being adults should comprehend this; and should have had second thoughts about this. The fact is this is how the society is being regulated.
62. 2009-02-12 11:13  
as I gay dadi and this happened to my kid I would want these creeps locked up and justice served and would ask the prosecutors to look for the most severe punsihment given the available laws out there, unforttunately 377 is still on the books . . . and is the current law in Singapore and can be activated from time to time. . .its a quite the quandary . . . and mixes up some major issues about underage sex which is wrong, but sex between two consenting adults of a legal age is legal . ..

somehow even a 15 year old should know better, and parents need to get involved in their kids lives and teach their kids about more responsible sex and yes even to study a chapter on abstinance and self esteem




63. 2009-02-12 14:03  
when i was 15 and had sex with older guys, i would lie about my age also...
hopefully these weren't 5-6 guys who went after 1 boy at the same time... that would be bad!
64. 2009-02-12 14:38  
What is most disturbing to me will be the potential of this case eventually being heralded as the 'poster boy' for retaining 377A in the
Singapore Penal Code. Poor Singapore...issues,issues,issues...
65. 2009-02-12 14:50  
Against the order of nature? How stupid is that, it appears quite usual in nature for animals of differing species to be same sex, sexually attracted to each other, obviously it was not against the nature of the so called 'boy' who at 15yrs is really a 'youth' and who it appears was complicit in picking up men online for his own mutual sexual gratification, this should be a warning to all older men in all countries if they are attracted to younger guys to ensure the lad is of legal age and that they aren't duped into believing otherwise as it's the older guy who suffers the penalties, child protection is necessary so we can't complain about strong laws but men really must grow up and be more conscious, actions having possible negative ramifications.
66. 2009-02-12 21:20  
beware of young reckless teens who ask $$ after fun
67. 2009-02-12 23:51  
Post 37 Morocho: You are very screwed up and very short-sighted.

In many countries in the world (incl. many in the EU, like the UK, or Holland, ...) the minimum age is 16.

As you said you only like your own age, meaning that is the best, I am glad you are not in politics! Thanks the Lord!

In Singapore it is 18 I belief, but that does not mean everybody is the same and starting sex with 18. Many kids are not ready with 18 and some are not even ready when 21 or 35, so there must be people that are ready at the age of 16 (or some 15?) Maybe just maybe in this case this boy was quicker then his friends.

Still not right to have sex with a minor of 15 but I am only trying to say that 18 or own age is best!

Just think about this for ones. Thank you.
68. 2009-02-13 10:38  
Well, to be honest, sex with a minor is sex with a minor. Despite some countries allowing consented sex at the age of 15 (mainly both age 15) it is a very young age to sexual relations with.

If the guys were fully aware the minor was a minor, then they have willingly broken the law, however if they were unaware (possible if the minor developed early, tall, well built etc and age was difficult to tell) then this is a slightly different story. They would face the same situation in many European countries if the boys parents lodged a complain etc.

While these laws are draconian and discriminatory laws, in this case it appears to be just.
69. 2009-02-14 06:47  
I don't believe a birth date defines who is a "minor" or not. A "minor" to me is someone who is essentially defenceless against repercussions that may stem from his/her immature decisions.
If this guy - and I would not use the word "kid" - has, at 15, knowingly managed to set up a profile on a gay website, and coerce AT LEAST six men into having sex with him, then he sounds to me like he knows exactly what he's doing. (Sounds as if he's a bit of a slut as well.)
Are we supposed to have sympathy for the 15 year old because he's been used and abused. I think not.

What's also incredible is that Big Brother in SG has managed to dig up the dirt on the 6 guys who were charged. Not least, is that these charges reek of the presence of blackmail.

As someone who refuses to set foot on SG soil, I can't help but wonder at whatever means were used to entrap (can't think of a better word) those concerned. The SG government and it's two-faced bigotry is so despicable, anything seems possible.

That the government employs people to entrap others highlights the draconian hideousness of SG's so-called new "liberality".
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79. 2009-02-15 09:21  
Post #49 paulbavo says "I don't live in Singapore, and - me being a gay guy - I refuse to visit it, due to it's anti-gay laws. I prefer to spend my travel money somewhere else."

Travel the world. See for youself what the place is like. The Tiny Red Dot with a local population of 4 million boasted
-7 saunas,
-3 gay discos,
-9 gay bars,
-6 gay orientated shops selling even SM wares,
-6 gay crusing public pools.

The City State has never been gayer from the way they dress. How can one say that this is an anti gay city ?

377A seems to be retained to protect ourselves, judging from the higher than ever rate of HIV populations and the constant cases of sex with minors.
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83. 2009-02-15 09:36  
I salute Post #56 lagunabro and those who agrees to the sentencing without reasonable doubts for the wisdom in their postings.

Judging from the other comments posted here, draconian laws are still needed for a very long time to protect our fellow species and us.

Seniors have the moral obligation to protect the young, not to have sex with them. It is exploitations and a very hideous crime. How can the gay community on one hand argues on the right to adoption but majority also seems to approve to Paedophilia thoughts. Can young people be left to seniors who harbour lewd thoughts with minors? My opinion is that they should be left to rot in jail, least they corrupt more young minds.

The case is not about Section 377A. It is the case of the law using all available means to put those scumbags behind bars and protect the young. In recent days, there were also many heterosexual cases of sex with minors and all had also been seriously dealt with. This is not discrimination, as some seems to be confused with.

The law is the law. And if the law says that it is 18, so be it because this is what the majority agrees upon.
84. 2009-02-15 12:38  
i had my first sex at 13,and i love it.
85. 2009-02-15 14:26  
Even if I am gay myself, I think the police is right in criminalizing them. Who of a right mind would want to have sex with a minor? On what basis? It just doesn't make sense to me that paedophilia is exciting. For the minors, they should be focussed on developing their academic and personal potentials. For the adults, they should instead turn to any guys of their roughly same age group. Simple, right? Now that they've (the offenders) crossed the lines, they should be punished by law. For those prospective paedophiles, please reconsider.
86. 2009-02-16 11:43  
Post #64 gymhotbod says (Posted : 15 February 2009 9:21) :

Post #49 paulbavo says "I don't live in Singapore, and - me being a gay guy - I refuse to visit it, due to it's anti-gay laws. I prefer to spend my travel money somewhere else."

Travel the world. See for youself what the place is like. The Tiny Red Dot with a local population of 4 million boasted
-7 saunas,
-3 gay discos,
-9 gay bars,
-6 gay orientated shops selling even SM wares,
-6 gay crusing public pools.

The City State has never been gayer from the way they dress. How can one say that this is an anti gay city ?


And contradicts himself in the very next post:

Post #65 gymhotbod says (Posted : 15 February 2009 9:36) :

I salute Post #56 lagunabro and those who agrees to the sentencing without reasonable doubts for the wisdom in their postings.

Judging from the other comments posted here, draconian laws are still needed for a very long time to protect our fellow species and us.

Seniors have the moral obligation to protect the young, not to have sex with them. It is exploitations and a very hideous crime. How can the gay community on one hand argues on the right to adoption but majority also seems to approve to Paedophilia thoughts. Can young people be left to seniors who harbour lewd thoughts with minors? My opinion is that they should be left to rot in jail, least they corrupt more young minds.

The case is not about Section 377A. It is the case of the law using all available means to put those scumbags behind bars and protect the young. In recent days, there were also many heterosexual cases of sex with minors and all had also been seriously dealt with. This is not discrimination, as some seems to be confused with.

The law is the law. And if the law says that it is 18, so be it because this is what the majority agrees upon.


All the more you should NOT visit SIngapore, Paulbravo. Look at the blatant contradiction of his words- it's a trap!!!
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90. 2009-02-16 12:22  
f the Singapore Govt is genuinely sincere in preventing innocent boys from older gay lechers, they should be charged under Section 376A & NOT 377A. What will eventually happen, will be the exploitation of this case as a 'justification' to retain 377A. It is an eerily similar echo to the Nazi's 'justification' of the infamous Kristallnacht, where they term it as 'justification' for the murder of a German diplomat by an impulsive & admittedly foolish Jewish boy unhappy over his family's dumping in a no-man's land by the German authorities. What happened next? Anti-Jewish policies followed, & as they say- the rest is one of the most gruesome histories ever to haunt mankind.
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96. 2009-02-16 18:27  
Well, a recent case involves a priest who had sex with underage boys in Indonesia. Singapore certainly should not go down that slippery road.

Certainly many will not visit Singapore because it is not a haven for peadophiles. And we are not missing a beat because these are just very sick cheapos who use candies to lure young boys. They should be put behind bars and throw away the keys.
97. 2009-02-16 18:44  
Post #70 - Now we all know how Singaporeans view the rest of the world. :)
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99. 2009-02-16 19:24  
Post #71 girlongirl, Singapore is never a leader but always a follower. Many knows that. We copy or at least try to copy the best.

I am a proud gay Singaporean and am not in anyway ashamed of it.

When we go on a war of words, it can turn ugly. Thats how things works. I have been critcised, I simply believe in what I believe in.
100. 2009-02-17 18:15  
Good, gymhotbod. Indeed in our war of words it DOES get ugly, & quite frankly i don't enjoy it one bit. I think we both should thank fridae for giving us the equal right to express ourselves despite our differences.. Also to the long-suffering fridae members who had to endure our petty squabbles...
sorry to u guys (& gals). Freedom-of-speech is one aspect I cherish, so hopefully it is not abused.
101. 2009-02-17 20:25  
Freedom-of-speech is one aspect I cherish, slander is another issue. Being patriotic is yet another issue.
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106. 2009-02-20 12:57  
Justice can be perverted, bt it has long arms & will eventually come back to haunt its violators.

What about despicability?
Suddenly cleaning up yr tracks to save yr own skin?

http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/article.php?articleid=2327&viewarticle=1&searchtype=all
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108. 2009-02-20 17:22  
Perverts screaming "justice" you mean.

Ah, thanks for the hyperlink. Brings back wonderful memories.
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112. 2009-02-20 18:05  
No. It's "Justice can be perverted".
I don't twist words.
And I don't fight self-congratulatory midgets :)
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115. 2009-02-22 10:02  
But your term of justice is kinda perverted literally.

And I do enjoy fighting with perverts.
116. 2009-05-27 19:01  
Atter reading the article & the comments, I have 2 conclusions to make:

1) Freedom is a lot like stupidity.
Everyone is sntitled to it...bt sadly, some abuse the privilege.

2) It is a GRAVE mistake to hold back humanity just for the sake of
some lblack sheep who take blatant advantage of the universal
standards of tolerance, respect & fair play...action MUST be taken
against unlawful behavior

So as a sidenote to use gymhotbod: I've been observing yr online behavior for some time, and also that of yr nemesis girlongirl.
But whist she's just being hot-tempered with her words, I've noticed she had never abused you personally with malicious name-calling.
You, however, had been downright vicious towards her...apart from calling her a 'pervert' & 'toilet queen' , amongst other things.
Now, I don't care if you have an axe to grind, that you've suffered fr a bad chilldhood/family/upbringing, or that you gt emotional & say things you don't mean. The fact is: you did it.
As a grown adult, nobody can coerce or force you to act the way you do, so you'll have to bear the consequences.
I alrd had you reported to fridae for yr gross abuse of the privilege to express yr views....I think the community has been turning the other cheek for too long with people like you. We need discipline.

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