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10 Jul 2009

Yoga guru files Supreme Court challenge over gay sex verdict

Homosexuality is a disease curable through yoga, says guru Baba Ramdev who has filed a Supreme Court appeal following the recent Delhi High Court judgment decriminalising sexual relationship between two consenting adults in private.

Yoga guru Baba Ramdev has reportedly filed a Supreme Court petition to challenge the Delhi High Court’s recent judgement legalising gay sex among the consenting adults.

Yoga guru Baba Ramdev says homosexuality can be "treated by yoga, pranayam and other meditation techniques."
Local newspapers have named lawyers associated with Baba Ramdev - Suresh Sharma and Gandharva Makker - as saying that the yoga guru has challenged the July 2 judgement contending that homosexual activities are not only against public morality, public health and healthy environment but also against the interest of the society.

"...homosexual activities which are otherwise unnatural there is high risk of exposure of a large chunk of population to dangerous sexually transmitted disease inlcuding HIV/AIDS," said the appeal which was filed on Wednesday.

The guru, who reportedly has millions of followers across the country and holds mass yoga classes that attract up to 20,000 at a time, said homosexuality caused 'mental bankruptcy' and is an illness which could be treated.

"It can be treated like any other cogenital defect. Such tendencies can be treated by yoga, pranayam (breathing exercises) and other meditation techniques," he said in the petition.

It is not known how much these classes will cost but a source told Fridae that yoga classes run by Baba Ramdev to "cure" diabetes and cancer are priced upwards of Rs12,000 (US$250).

Although the recent landmark verdict legalised gay sex among consenting adults, which was earlier an offence under Section 377 of Indian Penal Code with punishment up to life imprisonment, the verdict had retained the penal provision for non consenting gay and acts involving male minors.

Astrologer Suresh Kumar Kaushal has separately filed an appeal in the Supreme Court seeking for the Delhi High Court decision to be overturned. “No one can imagine the consequences of the unnatural acts. Even animals don’t indulge in such activities,” his petition stated. He went on to say that if “such abnormality” is permitted “then tomorrow people might seek permission for having sex with animals.”

The Times of India has meanwhile reported that the supreme court has issued notices to the federal government and nonprofit Naz Foundation, which petitioned in 2001 for consensual gay sex to be legalised, as a result of Kaushal's petition.

Reader's Comments

1. 2009-07-10 14:38  
"Even animals don’t indulge in such activities,” his petition stated. He went on to say that if “such abnormality” is permitted “then tomorrow people might seek permission for having sex with animals.”

Well, what about those Gay Penguins that were recently widely reported, and their subsequent adoption of a baby penguin? Wait - can this guy arrange Penguin Yoga classes as well, to 'cure' them? Hmmm... That might ruffle a few feathers in the penguin world...

And I'm a bit alarmed that - sorry guys n gals - Our secret is out, about our so-obvious desire to have sex with animals. We'd have been okay, if it wasn't for one interfering Indian guru... ;-)
2. 2009-07-10 15:02  
Looks like this guy must have taken a leaf out of some ex-gay handbook...
3. 2009-07-10 15:23  
I had the laugh of my life when I found the article about this in the Telegraph.

No more exorcisms to cure gays. Just yoga. Now I wonder if the Malaysian Islamic Council will remove the ban on yoga, since it apparently 'cures' homosexuality.
4. 2009-07-10 17:42  
Way I see it ... he's just worried about losing his business hahaha ! Ah... the theories people will come up with when there's money to be made from them !
5. 2009-07-10 18:06  
I think someone's PR firm has misjudged the amount of bad press he'll get from this one.

Y'know, this rhetoric sounds very much like the crap the Republicans spout in the states.

So, following that logic and timeline - Baba Ramdev in gay sex scandal in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
6. 2009-07-11 01:06  
According to the above quotes, The Guru seems careful to say "can be treated", not cured. Otherwise he would have to prove in Court his claims to be able to "cure" homosexuality through Yoga etc. and face the legal consequences if he could not.

I suspect there may be evidence somewhere that meditation can be effective in relieving stress-related illnesses, but that's rather different from changing someone's entire sexual orientation.
7. 2009-07-11 01:49  
This is of course an unwelcome development, but I'll concede that even psychos have their democratic rights.

Supreme court judges are supreme court judges because they are reputedly the best ones in the country. Given how weak the petitioner's arguments already sound, hope lies with the Supreme Court judges to do what the Delhi High Court judges have already done and to see through the weaknesses in the arguments advanced by homophobes.

As for his certainty that homosexuality can be 'treated', I believe that the onus would be on the petioner to provide that evidence. The Christianity based 'reparative' therapy has made similarly extravagant claims about being able to 'change' a same sex sexual orientation to a heterosexual one. But they only seemed to be have added to the numbers in the population of people who are celibate.

That's not a change of sexual orientation but merely refraining from acting on any same sex sexual attraction.
8. 2009-07-11 02:00  
Vercoda:

"Even animals don’t indulge in such activities,”

If the experience with homophobes from the Christian Right and others who use the same arguments is anything to go by, it is always THEY who begin with an assertion like in the above quote, purportedly to determine for the naturalness of homosexuality.

Then when we point to the countervailing evidence which consists of nothing less than filmed footage of same sex sexuality in the animal kingdom, they have typically shot back with "But WE are not animals"; we call this the "shifting goalpost" tactic in Singapore.

Well, if WE are not animals, then even heterosexuality has to be criminalized if we are now no longer allowed to benchmark human sexuality against animal sexuality.
Comment edited on 2009-07-11 02:00:41
9. 2009-07-11 02:11  
"He went on to say that if “such abnormality” is permitted “then tomorrow people might seek permission for having sex with animals.”

Well, if that happens, then any animal whose permission is being sought for the purposes of sex would have to consent to sex, wouldn't they? And they also have to be adults in animal terms. (Ditto if people next seek the permission of corpes - their other favorite slippery slope argument - for sex.)

The Delhi High Court ruling is already clear that if the two requirements are not met in the case of two males, it would be considered rape; I believe that the ruling can be used as precedent in all other similar cases.

I have no quarrel with the DHC ruling on that count.
10. 2009-07-11 02:20  
Would anyone happen to know the answer to this: if the Supreme Court upholds the DHC ruling, does that mean that it is binding in all of India and with immediate effect?

(The DHC ruling was binding only within Delhi, although courts in other Indian jurisdiction can use the DHC ruling as precedent.)
11. 2009-07-11 16:24  
I am only happy that more and more such spiritual/religious leaders are revealing their inner nature - that they are as imperfect as any other human - capable of ugly as any other human. The more they do it, the more people will see their ignorance and prejudice.

Gay people exist to play a role - to help reveal the human faults in people who think they are holier than thou. We are their targets, but with our own gracious behavior, we only become mirrors to let them see their own ugliness.
12. 2009-07-11 18:49  
I don't want a cure, I love gay sex.

"It can be treated like any other cogenital defect. Such tendencies can be treated by yoga, pranayam (breathing exercises) and other meditation techniques,"

What makes him think that I would choose meditation over fornication?
13. 2009-07-12 13:18  
If pranayam and other meditation techniques could "cure" gay, I do believe the straight couple who practice yoga in this world will stay in peace and no divorce in the family.
How many people in this world practice yoga by own intuition that cause of healthier lifestyle? I could say no.... look at those who practice yoga all had problems, only practice yoga to relax their mind. If gay can be "cure" by yoga... Well... I'm gay too... I even practice yoga for 2 years already. But still I love to man tool as they are Hot and nice to be Lick Like An Ice-cream. Don't you guys agree?


14. 2009-07-12 16:07  
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha check out his videos on youtube now...
Comment edited on 2009-07-12 16:09:11
15. 2009-07-12 16:18  
The continuous onslaught of STRESSES, ANXIETY, FEAR and DEPRESSION that the straight world imposes on us queers can be alleviated and treated by yoga and meditation. There is no doubt (in my mind) that these particular techniques can lower stress levels, reduce anxiety, re-establish balance, and promote physical, mental and spiritual health. This particular "guru" is delusional...and yes, greedily protecting his business interests....for him to advertise that his yoga classes could cure homosexuality is an obviously absurd marketing tactic, and the only intelligent responses from loving, caring people (like us) should be compassion and a good laugh. But that his petition is given credibility and is considered by the Supreme Court, reveals the exquisite fairness of the Indian deomcracy system at work.
16. 2009-07-13 16:18  
MrScorpio, you're spot-on...the more these people talk, the more they flaunt what they really are...that is, sans-noblesse. :p
So keep on talking...their comments are my entertainment. ;-)

"It can be treated like any other cogenital defect. Such tendencies can be treated by yoga, pranayam (breathing exercises) and other meditation techniques,"

(yawn) yet another piece of pesudoscience.
Sadly, as long as there are suckers, there will always be
con-artists. Enuf said.
17. 2009-07-14 02:28  
Preposterous and outrageous claim! Can't believe anyone can be so ignorant and presumptuous. DHC needs to see scientific evidence to back their verdict, not some pseudo-religious crap. With the decriminalization of gay sex in Delhi, I would imagine many in the gay/lesbian community coming out of the closet in droves. Instead of celebrating the advancement of human rights, apparently the homophobes are devising new plots to strike back. It is not as if gay people have never practiced yoga before. There is even nude yoga just for men, gay or straight. No one has reportedly turned straight as a result. I think this thing will die out sooner or later.
18. 2009-07-14 03:56  
Good to let "followers" see how their yoga master has mastered emptying his entire brains out with such misguided & discriminatory proclamation. No need to worry about ex-gays now. With many a % of gay men in yoga classes, his offensive stance will now reap the fury of departing ex-followers. Om...
19. 2009-07-14 23:03  
Never mind yoga magic, gay divers beware, Focus on the Family can now control killer whales!

"Focus on the Family's Learning Centre at Jurong Point was officially opened Saturday ...

The launch took the form of a demonstration of one of the brain fitness programmes, Play Attention. A young girl donned a modified bicycle helmet and got a killer whale to dip to the ocean bed to collect coins by the sheer power of her attention." (Christian Post, Singapore)

Despite what the article says, I'm hoping it was not a real killer whale ;)
20. 2009-07-14 23:03  
Never mind yoga magic, gay divers beware, Focus on the Family can now control killer whales!

"Focus on the Family's Learning Centre at Jurong Point was officially opened Saturday ...

The launch took the form of a demonstration of one of the brain fitness programmes, Play Attention. A young girl donned a modified bicycle helmet and got a killer whale to dip to the ocean bed to collect coins by the sheer power of her attention." (Christian Post, Singapore)

Despite what the article says, I'm hoping it was not a real killer whale ;)
21. 2009-07-15 00:51  
Sorry about the duplication, I must've clicked twice, but it wont let me delete.
Comment #22 was deleted by its author
23. 2009-07-16 01:49  
He went on to say that if “such abnormality” is permitted “then tomorrow people might seek permission for having sex with animals.”


wow is this yoga guru remotely suggesting that the next agenda people have is to legalize sexual acts between a consenting adult and animals of legal age? hmmm lets see, i wonder which animal people would pick having intercourse with...a goat or a cow or maybe even an elephant? what say you?

haha do they sincerely think that the humans-picking-which-animal-to-fuck scenario would actually follow? and they think we are the weird ones >_
24. 2009-07-18 21:37  
Didn't know whether to cry or to laugh about it all . Yes , I laugh at all that he says , but cry , thinking about those who will believe him. Never ever thought , that in 2009 , we'd get someone advocating the Asian philosophical version of The Spanish Inquisition. Freedom of speech , though great to have , can at times be more harmful than beneficial , when abused. I am not advocating repression , but advocating respect for others. No one should have the right to describe millions of gays as sick people. The only other guy who did it was the same one who sent to many to concentration camps , and gas chambers , to perish. We should always pay heed to what history taught us.
25. 2009-07-21 04:49  
Oh! I was just about 3/4 way through my yoga session and was thinking I was cured of my homoxial urges when this article distracted me; I know that session failed as I immediately noticed what a nice basket the guy next to me had! Alas, I'll have to start again..
26. 2009-08-07 04:38  
OMG doing Yoga since my childhood and I'm still gay !!!

Did I anything wrong in my Yoga practice???

And now I'm doing Nude-Yoga and nobody changed in my classes to be straight.

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