Nicholas Snow, a Bangkok-based journalist who publicly disclosed his HIV-positive status in an exclusive interview with Fridae in October last year, was verbally accosted by his neighbour at his Bangkok apartment on the evening of Aug 24.
In a four and a half minute video uploaded on Youtube, the unnamed neighbour - a young Thai man - was seen picking up a knife and attempting to throw several objects at Snow as he yelled across the hallway about Snow's self-disclosure of his HIV status in a “book” (magazine) and on a gay personals web site.
Snow, who is gay, said his neighbour began verbally abusing him just as he was returning home. As the tirade did not stop after Snow had closed his door to his apartment, he picked up his video camera from inside his apartment and opened the door to film his neighbour.
The exchange went:
“I will not be harassed because I have HIV. You are not allowed to treat your neigbhours this way.”
“I don’t want friendly with people with HIV,” said the neighbour when Snow said that he's only being friendly when he greets him or others in the building.
When Snow warned his neighbour that the video would be posted on the Internet, he was told: “I don’t care. You can put it in the newspaper.”
As the tirade went on, Snow retreated into his apartment and revealed that he believes that his neigbour had come to know of his HIV-positive status from his profile on a gay personals website. On the same day, someone has sent him a message asking him to “die” or “go back to (his) own country.” The sender had also correctly identified the name of his apartment building. Snow added that he recognised the apartment, in which the photos on the profile were taken, to be similar to his own apartment.
He further explained that the will post the video on the Internet as an “example of stigma and discrimination that exist around HIV and AIDS.”
“I sorta invited stigma and discrimination to come my way because I wanted to stand up against it.”
Last year, Snow founded ActionEqualsLife.com, a social networking web site created to promote HIV/AIDS awareness, champion "human rights for all" and support equality for all LGBT people.
He also wants to stress that the “behaviour of the individual in no way represents the majority of loving, accepting, hospitable Thai citizens and expats who live in Thailand. However, HIV/AIDS stigma and discrimination is prevalent throughout Asia and beyond.”
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Be strong and don't let that asshole make you feel otherwise. You have every right to be on this planet like anyone else and be treated the same as everyone else.
I really don't understand what's all the fuss about being afraid of people with HIV. I am more afraid of contracting H1N1 instead. Let's all fight this war against HIV discrimination and ignorance.
POSITIVE or NEGATIVE... It's really just a plus or minus man!
anyways, i find Mr.Snow's ability to be frank about his condition extremely courageous, especially when he reveals that he invites stigma and discrimination so as to combat it, even to the point of receiving death threats.
What Mr. Snow has done is highlight a very big question for the Asian LGBT community, actually.
Do we be open about ourselves and invite the hatred and combat it, or do we shun away from it? What he shows in Youtube is but a taste of the harassment we might face for being out, not just with HIV, but also in terms of being gay.
Cheers...
Your dignity and restraint go a long way in the ugly fight against ignorance and bigotry.
Keep giving care.
And take care.
And God bless >>>
AB
Stay strong! :)
Its just few assholes like him out there but there are thousands or millions who have a bigger heart to accept you. Dont get affected by such ppl. Stay strong!!!!
Do not let this get in your way, stay strong. These little pests are the reason why people around the world are suffering for nothing.
Stay strong!
That Not H1N1
I guess those who are Ignorance of it would live in fear and end up anti-HIV ppl. If a person can radiate loving kindness to everyone without discrimination, then that is the one who really practice human rights.
nic, keep ur head high. do not let ppl like that bring u down. ur courage to open up about your status is only giving hope to so many ppl out there. stay strong!
As an Asian and gay man...I am embarrassed by what you have been exposed to. It just goes to show ignorance is every where, and it transcends gender and race. Ignorance is rearing its ugly head at you...I hope you are not prepared to bow down to its pressure.
I have been a carer to people with HIV and let me tell you, some of them are the most gentle and sensitive people I have met and am very pleased to have me them. they provided me with the opportunity to be useful and also to meet their acquaintance....and help me become a better person.
Its hard I do realise, but never let anyone make you feel that you are not worthy. That would be a crime...emotionally. His reaction says so much more of him then it does of you. This is not about you, its about him!!!! Please remember that. Stay strong.
Don't let him makes you down!
because have not know between them what they did before. or else the thai guy would not so angry or did like this.
Snow cried, sad, and the end is showing the website,sounds like using the mad guy for free role model to be his promote website .
Promoting HIV+ awareness and discrimination of HIV is part of being Gay to show respect. The video is not just insult for Snow being as HIV+, but also insult to the guy who thrown the thing.
Both side also need to be stop making people feel irritating of u.
Hats off to you for being so brave in standing up for your rights in the face of adversity. That guy's a real asshole alright. Unfortunately there are plenty of them around. The fact is it takes all sorts to make the world. Sorry that you had to encounter a nasty one.
Move on and here's wishing you happier encounters!!!
There is no excuse for what he did to you, it was mean and apparently he is not well educated...none the less you fought because your rights as a HUMAN BEING was violated and I say Yes to that! Keep fighting, you have the whole world behind you.....
but why on earth ur advertising ur status in gayromeo, considering that website is 99% an online hook up site, while ur in asia ? r u not aware of deep resentment of asians towards white people who comes to asia and behaving badly? i'm not saying u r but from the guy's perspective u r one of those farang spreading deseases while being pseudo sad abt his status, and still enjoying the economic advantage living in bangkok and enjoying the weather. sorry, but i kinda think something darker and sinister going on here.
anyway dude, on a personal level, i have a deep sympathy for u, and please be strong.
Don't waste your tears for an Idiot Monkey! Be Strong!
thais are vey passionate and extemely protective so its a litle nicks fault as he should know better.
th neighbour looks like a normal hai guy, probably not as educated as nick and as wordly so cut him slack. this is a lot of propaganda and i agree it looks like a bit of a set up, baiting the neighbour.
Nicholas, you're not alone in this stand against stigmatization & discrimination, so stay strong! Because after every storm, eventually a rainbow appears!
And I sorta agree with #22, about how maybe you should consider moving away? Not as a sign of surrender, but as an act of 'graciousness'. You don't deserve people like him in your life.
But anyhow, keep spreading the awareness, & keep on keepin' on! We're backing you up!
=)
He is jus ignorant...
u have e support of many others around the world..
:)
Stay strong...
I in no way condone discrimination but I also found Snow's attempts to explain Western ideals to his neighbour to be very patronising. Remember you are a guest in his country, not the other way around.
take care, keep in touch!
al.
Anyway, it seems stupid to take sides when it's blatantly obvious that there could be a whole lot of stuff going on we don't know about.
An emotive presentation of one side of the story.
We're easy bates here. Really...it's Days of our Lives
Speaking psychologically...people don't generally subject themselves to having a camera in their face when they are upset and emotional. Moreover, in this state of mind, they wouldn't just happen to have a sign publicising their website or think to strategically pan the camera to show it at the end of the video.
Discrimination is an ugly, ugly thing. But the way we fight it need not stoop down to the same level. Fight it publicly, by all means, but don't make an example of one person - what will it achieve apart from making your own situation worse? Bigots rarely change their mind, they just die out provided there is a positive and fair voice around which does not make examples of one individual, who is deliberately being baited and passively egged on.
In any case, it is clear that there is more to this than just the content of the video. I'm unconvinced by this. The body language of all involved tell a different story.
On the other hand, although this behaviour under no circumstances can be tolerated, please be aware that Thai educational standards, especially with respect to sex education and disease/ inception prevention are still lagging far behind acceptable standards, thus leading to a certain degree of ignorance, which either leads to undefineable fears or, to naive perceptions (many Thais still believe that washing the private parts before and after sex will prevent from acquiring the disease etc....).
When we look at this thug and from his English, it is very clear that his educational level is very low. I assume that thug did not go beyond 6 years of basic education in Thailand, and certainly is not really aware of the facts of HIV, or how one can acquire this disease.
In any case, this behaviour cannot be tolerated and I consider this very courageous of you, to post this incident on youtube and other channels.
for Nic, please do move out from this place, its not worth it really. also stop provoking if possible. for the thai guy, please behave! whom give you the right to threaten another human being with knife. its not worth it too.
al.
I am happy to answer any direct questions about this video or the circumstances around it. Also, when I sent out news of what had happened, I invited journalists to investigate the situation for themselves.
I am personally emotionally raw and I won't be defending myself in an ongoing fashion here. I do not have the energy for it.
To everyone who took the time to read, watch and comment, thank you.
Nicholas Snow, Founder
ActionEqualsLife
the guy was mean
nasty people are everywhere
the best we can do, rise above them
when we look down, they proved nothing but grass that irritates our sole
he's not nasty because he's a thai
he just happens to be a thai who is nasty
sad..
truely..
that guy will go to hell....and monster punish him.....
I like this country, but thai boy....some impolite...
I will support you for everything!!!
Take good care and enjoy your life, don't make yourself unhappy.
2. I agree with many other posters: we cannot really make any judgment base on this short video without knowing the context. Media distortion is everywhere.
3. Luckily the Thai guy is gay, otherwise there would be another discussion about discrimination towards homosexual.
there is a fine line between living a positive life with dignity and using ur positive card for stardom.
Take good care
STIGMATIZATION & DISCRIMINATION TOWARDS HIV POSITIVES EXIST!
And if this video is indeed staged, it's best to see it as a 'awareness spreading' material. In my personal opinion, stigmatizing usually occurs in the most subtle form, not usually expressively displayed, especially towards HIV positives. Wouldn't it be practically useless if this 'staged' video shows subtle marginalizing? But look at how much impact it has caused to so many of us watching a 'staged' expressive marginalizing? And expressive discrimination does exist!
With reference to #34. Yes, we shouldn't force people make nice with us if they do not want to. But I'm sure, Nicholas himself must have gone through a heck loads of negativity, to finally stand up for himself. To say: "What is your problem?", "It's not right", "People with HIV have rights!", "I will not be harassed just because I have HIV!"
As gay people, shouldn't we support this 'situation' no matter how then? It's easy for us to become sub-consciously ignorant, towards the purpose of Nicholas' works, just because many of the posters are HIV negatives.
You are right to say that it is not a right to expect everyone to want to be friendly to us or to talk to us. But in this case, it seems that it was the bully who abused Mr Snow unprovoked. As Mr Snow said, the bully had been very rude to him on many occasions. The reason was probably Mr Snow's status had become known to him.
im sorry for what had happen to u ..
its not very pleasant to watch the video either.
u didnt call or asked for it, its just ignorance in that person's mind that did that.
stay strong..
n keep a safe distance of urself from that 'knife-throwing person'..
xx
the thai guys was so mad, it must got something happen then have this emotion came out, just one short video totally can not judge like that.
and he cried after stopped and show his website,i just felt like the thai guy as doing the "free doing rude actor"as bad image in the video, it reflects the thai people, and nic just doin all his talking, the thai guy low educated is not a issue,maybe he really don understand at all about nic snow what he talk...
ofcz discrimination about HIV+ is quite not to tolerance,but usually people get the edge mad emotion,it must got something happened. and at my side, i look nic snow still quite emotion stable.
but why no people ask the thai guy for strong when he emotion get mad like this? he also get hurt, that you wouldnt know......
In particular #47, I did not go and see that website your mentioned, nor I'll go. I don't really care. So I won't make Mr.Nicolas a star about that. What I care is what is in the video, quite clear. And about Thai guys/gays...I do have my experiences too with them. Who told you that maybe this guy bf (as he appeared to be someone with him) is the one who provoked all that bad and livid behavior to his bf (or friend) ? Don't get me wrong, I know some nice thais and I am not generalizing. But I know that, if they really wanna harm you, they find the way to do it... So whatever is behind this story, there is a equal probability that Nic is right...or wrong. The knife is in the hands of the thai guy anyway...
Cheers
And by the way, why the other thai gay was so....silent ? I would say almost "guilty". Did he know something that his fellow friend did not ? Or was he just "shy" ? Or was he feeling sorry for Nicolas ?
I totally agreed with you, respect whether one is positive or negative because we all are humans. Respect others if you wished to be respected.
Anyway Snow, stay strong, live your life your way and no one or anything should stop you.
Love,
Jun
Ok everyone a backing up of my discussion with a friend of mine, he might be right that Snow had posted the video without the actual consent of the Thai guy. We might not know what had happened between Snow and the Thai guy, but putting all those aside, shouldn't he calm down and talk instead of throwing things?
Violence is not the key to solution but discussion or a talk yes... Back to my points, as neighbors, is not right or sane enough to throw things at each other, especially when it could hurt the other party physically. What if the thing that he threw killed Snow?(Touch wood, just a comparison) Snow might have insulted him by calling him asshole but a blade of words can never hurt as much as physical damage.
It is true, Thais are friendly and nice and caring, but there are exceptions, out of a million, there could be at least 10 that are wicked, Snow must have been really unlucky to have met one of the 10 wicked ones. The way the Thai guy reacted is way too much and he indirectly destroyed the friendly, kind, loving images of Thais.
Maybe it would be better if we are able to put ourselves in Snow's shoe and see things from his side. If being friendly and nice is wrong, then where is humanity? Are we human? Being HIV positive is already a burden to him, where are the supports he needed the most instead of supports, what he received was discrimination.
Some might said probably Snow had sex with him, but I strongly disagree with that, if so, why had Snow asked him what did he do to him to be treated as such? All the Thai guy could say was Snow being friendly with him.
I don't know if my guess is correct or not, but Snow feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Everyone has a boiling point! This is very true. Snow might have been discriminated and mistreated a lot before he finally decided that something must be done about it.
In general, I believe in humanism, we all have human rights, we deserved to be respected. However, in doing so, we need to learn how to respect and appreciate the rights we have.
As Christian, there's a famous verse, Love your enemies. This applies very well here, they might be your enemy but its up to you how you wanted him to treat you back.
Be nice and sincere, calm and steady, polite and friendly, this is Harmony and Peace.
P/S : Guys you won't want such fight to be around your neighborhood, make this a lesson for you all, think and act smart not violent!
Those who know about discrimination will feel vindicated, those who don't will just think that this is just another "farang" who come to thailand to give HIV to Thai boys. I don't make it up. Just read some of the comments above, or if you are familliar with the tabloid press in Thailand you will know what I am talking about (it also help to have a friend who has been on the front page of these tabloids for much less than that...)
What thye video shows is a very emotionally disturb Thai, and a "farang" teasing him ("you will be on the internet..."). Direct confrontation in Asia never achieves anything, NS should know that living there.
What would be interesting to know is why the Thai guy doesn't like people with HIV. Most thai know little about HIV and what they know has been deeply influenced by governmental propaganda who at once said that “The general public need not be alarmed. Thai-to-Thai transmission is not in evidence.”
I wish good luck and recovery to Nicolas and I hope he will find a way to make his message heard, locally, nationally and worldwide. Just find the right way to get it through.
Very best.
But I am still believing that MOST of the humanbeing are not like this young thai man.
Be strong and go your way.
Best Regards
William
I think the said American ex-pat has, at the very least, capitalised on the tension that there seems to be between the neighbours (if, indeed, they really are neighbours) and - despite his desperate sadness - still remains focused enough to advertise his website.
Don't believe blindly in everything you see on the net, guys.
IF (and it is a big IF) it IS all genuine - the American guy has severely invaded the privacy of the thai chap in spreading the vid across the internet and is guilty of expoliting a 22 year old.
I mean someone with no manners they treat people the same, without manners. I believe there is a background story that either he was jealous or he was scared about something. Your film shows that his bf was sitting there without a word so obviously he was the silent partner who didnt know what to do with you or his bf. He is of course standing beside his bf until he had a thing for you. Anyway, I am glad that you tell everyone that you have HIV so if there is one person wanted to have sex with you, they are well aware of it.
They might not understand what you are going through but then it is ultimately you to educate the public what HIV + people are going through.
Sounds bizzare but good luck mate.
thais are gracious. we in america will refuse entry to people with HIV, unless hillary or her delegates give you a special permission (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071219135631AA7Zlll). better fight discrimination at home first, before go spreading your things around abroad. ever seen a middle aged thai with HIV flirting with young american boys in the us? lol. be safe, use protection. and be kind to your host, remember thailand don't owe you anything.
thighs! thighs!!!
When people tell you that, its not your problem anymore.
Why the hell does he have to be friends with you? because you are HIV+ and so??? if he doesn't want to talk to you, it doesn't necessarily mean because of your HIV, and even so, its his life, not yours! deal with yours!
stop using other people for your own good. If you want people to respect you, respect them too. Respect doesnt mean being friendly with you.
Everytime people tell you they dont want to talk you, you videotape them and tell them they are harassing you because you are HIV positive????
Dude, get over it. maybe you are not that pretty, maybe you are not his type, and maybe he doesnt like you as a neighbor, maybe he doesn't like anyone. Its all his choice. It's about HIM, and nothing to do with YOU.
This video is an abuse to the thai guy. You have got no right to post this one since he didn't want to be videotaped at all. When people say NO, they actually mean it. AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR HIV STATUS.
And he make used on the advantage that the Thai neighbour cant speak English and most of the words of discrimination came out from the mouth of the author himself. Like "Why u treat me like this, is it bcos im hiv +" and stuff. Dont put words on the Thai's mouth just because he cant speak good English.
As to being HIV+, I suppose it wouldn't be easy to live with, but it's controllable - unlike a lot of other diseases. Stay well Nic, and keep blogging!
About your comment then on "be safe, use protection etc. " I would think twice before saying that: this is also insulting someone, somehow. How do you know how Nic got the virus ? So don't jump to easy conclusions.
And, this is nothing to see with the Video post, it is all bullshits the idea that Thais are gracious (and even Thai gays). Maybe it depends on my personal experiences, and I am not here to generalize. I am old enough to know there are idiots everywhere and by any race. And so good people everywhere. But I can tell you I have been through situations like that, directly and not, and I can tell some (I repeat "some") thais behave really nastily.
Also did the white guy asked for this trouble cos he was hitting on a younger 22 year old guy in the same apartment? There's a saying which goes " You don't shit in your own yard".
But jokes aside... violence doesn't solve problems in the 21st century..... I don't agreed on abusive behaviours and anger......
With God grace, u will n always b surrounded by his guiding angels to pull u through all this...
b strong n possitive n we all loves u
instantly lodge police report if get hurted physically.
subjective: when encounter vulgar ppl, counter back with vulgar behaviors. no matter how nice decently you talk to the NUT, he won't take your words.
The guy was emotional and knowing that his education has failed him you kept pushing the button even more...
Telling him that he will be seen over the internet..Maybe internet is your reality for many it aint.
You got HIV, big freaking deal. While i was typing this some fuckers killed over 2000 sharks, more then hundreds kids died due to bacteria in their water, kids in china dying due to the led poison...
Close the door man...
It's a no brainer that hostility and anti-gay sentiments toward PLWHA (People Living With HIV & AIDS) is unacceptable anywhere, but it's pretty amazing that in a country like Bangkok, Thailand, where gays, HIV and the sex trade are as common/accepted as the nightlife in Patpong, such livid unprovoked emotional outburst can occur from a thai person, let alone a gay comrade, is mind boggling. There is definitely baggage.
Nevertheless, whether Snow deserved it or not, it's gonna be very unsafe now to stay there. I suggest Snow make an offering of apology to release some of the tension or make plans to move out. It was really stupid to engage the thai local at such a hostile level and expect nothing will happen thereafter. One picks battles one can win. It's nothing to do with courage, but everything to do with right time right place right country/culture. If Snow can find a thai "fren", get a translated message 2 the neighbor 2 offer a truce and that all was a misunderstanding and request sincerely to live in peace. If the thai guys dun want to be greeted at all, then dun. Dun bore everyone by saying u r a friendly guy and says hi to everyone. That's just plain egoistic b.i.t.c.h.i.n.g. and asking for deserved trouble. ;P Good luck, u seriously will need it now.
Won't that just be as good as generalizing that all HIV positives deserves stigmatization & discrimination?
Nicholas didn't post this so everybody can point fingers at him. Heck, I don't even think he cares if you point fingers at him. His main purpose here is to let all of us be more aware.
Instead of being at least thankful, you guys are slamming him in such a manner that does no good to his purpose, the gay people, and the HIV positives.
Being gay is discriminative enough, try bearing the burden of the disease.
Actually I am quite shocked to see how many of you guys really are going against Nicholas, although some of you have the right motivations to do that.
But some other, oh God, it seems you are justifying the behavior of that guy. Provoked or not... I do not think this is the way of acting.
So no wonder what's happening in this world, specially when some people find that someone else "is deserving a violent attitude"...
i agree..
no one is deserving of being abused is a violent manner as such.
that's so close-minded...
gosh...
people like those make the world less of a good place to live in...
hold on there, dude...
I sympathise that Nic is discrimnated against because of his HIV status but I also understand the young mans frustration. How many young gay asian mens lives are ruined by older foriegn men who sleep around and use them like sex toys.
I think they both need to grow up and move on. Nic needs to stop being a whiney baby. Bad things happen in life to all of us and we deal with it.
And the young man needs to grow up because one day he will get back what he gives out. Im sure he will face his own discrimination at some point.
Moral: Move on and grow up!
story aside, I love thai men, my ex is thai and the thai guy is very attractive! :D nuff said.
visit my website: www.itsnotmyfaultihavegonorrhea.com
Scene 2: ill post on a sex oriented website that i have syphilis, if people are not friendly with me, ill tell them, whats wrong with you people? people with syphilis has feelings too. Im just trying to be friendly. Whats your problem? my syphilis status?
visit my website: www.peoplewithsyphilishasfeelingstoo.com
Scene 3: I chat with my neighbors in the elevator, why? because I'm friendly. They don't really like to talk to me, but then again, why not? im friendly, so ill tell them, can you explain to me why you don't talk to me? Is it because I have ( insert any type of STD here ), then ill say, oh my, discrimination!!!!!! I'll put this on the internet, ill cry foul, and ill start my own organization to make sure that people like you will not treat anyone with ( insert any type of STD here ) like me treated like this. Im just being friendly, you cannot say NO, because Im friendly....
visit my website: www.peoplewithSTDareniceandfriendlythereforeyouhavetoautomaticallybenicetome.com
Scene 4: Ill cry on video, because I'm exploited. With dramatic scenes posted before, with dramatic voice: "I refuse to be treated like this, because of my ( insert another favorite STD )". People who have ( insert another favorite STD ) have rights to!
oh and come visit my website to support my cause!
www.iamfriendlysoifyoudontwanttobefriendswithmeihateyouandhumiliateyou.com
while I do not agree that anyone should discriminate ..whether it is based on sexuality, race, religion , class/caste or HIV status ...like someone said above ..I can barely hear what the Thai guy said ...and what happened before that we could only hear from one side of the story ...that is from Nic only... arent we supposed to listen to both side of the story before coming to a conclusion
and sometimes during a quarrel or when provoked people can utter things that they dont mean it ...what more when the person could not speak English properly ...so it is not so wise to take it at surface level
like someone also said above (I dont know Thai culture well enough) the guy looked emotional and disturbed ...the sort that stem from jealousy rather than pure hatred....but maybe I am wrong too ..so unless we get a Thai interpreter to interview the guy and understand the story ...I think many of us here are too quick to past judgement...
think about it ....
You can even have the Thai King or the Pope on his side in a posting here, but that still will not resolve the possible danger he may face hereon.
He can apply to be on Twitter and update his every fearful moment with new videos for effect or we can all help seriously think of how best to diffuse a ticking time bomb. At best, one can hope that the "violent" thai guy will simply leave Snow alone and no danger will follow but judging from the reaction in the video, it's pretty clear something constructive needs to be done asap. It's not rocket science.
I have personally encountered some unreasonable thai people before in some of my many happy countless visits to this wonderful country, but I choose not to engage in a verbal war to prove a point. It's really pointless. When one is in a culture with dynamic emotional volatility, be respectful.
#90-totally agree.
He is the one who posted the video in public so obviously he wants people to judge themselves and not just agree on his view. If you are starting name calling (like #101) you know you are no better than the Thai guy. And who are you to say "everyone", when there are people supporting the guy with HIV.
I myself look at the facts and not because he has or has no HIV or his race. I judge by watching the video (the only thing that I can understand the story). I have friends who are HIV+ and friends died of AIDS, they do/did not feel victimize because of their status.
There are many unreasonable people in this world, if you want to start a fight everytime they are not treating you right then you got a problem.
The Thai guy behaviour of cos cant be tolerated, but i wanna repeat my point that Mr. Show make used on the advantage that the Thai neighbour cant speak English and most of the words of discrimination came out from the mouth of the author himself. Like "Why u treat me like this, is it bcos im hiv +" or "People with hiv have rights too" and stuff.
We dont really hear that coming from the mouth of the Thai neighbor... so he is using this advantage to make his point stronger. If the Thai guy can speak proper english, then probably we should really know what point was he really trying make being so furious.
(http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/08/cdc-official-aids-rate-is-50x-higher-in-homosexual-men; this seems to be a conservative Christian web site but oh well)
How many HIV+ gay men in Asia do we know who have spoken openly and publicly about being HIV+? Maybe 3?
- Nicholas in Bangkok
- Ken in Hong Kong
- Hugo in Taiwan
That proves one more what I think about "human gay genre"... quoting someone I don't remember : "the more I know people here, the more I like my pets !".
Not mentioning all the Gay Pride Parades: just a silly exhibitions of bodies !
Well, LIFE goes on somehow, that's my last post here though , it is enough for me... ;-).
Cheers to anyone !
Nicholas talked to neighbours bf about his non avourbale demeanour. nieghbour was told or heard about it and got angry? Why? gay white guy hitting on his bf, true or not, jealoously exists in all worlds, gay or oterwise. The gay romeo stuff is bullshit. The niehbour was yelling at Nicholas but was not using HIV as the main argument, if he even knows what it is. As said, Nicoals calmy put those words out there knwoing tha tthai guy would repeat them, cause in thailand an dother asian countries if u dont spea english well u repeat what is said because its fresn and available
Anyway also as said he was too upset to just be mad at Nicholas having HIV and living int he building, as Nichoals has been for ther for some time and no incident till now
Nicholas, Im sorry u have HIV but dont look to blame others for your behaviour
Nicholas talked to neighbours bf about his non avourbale demeanour. nieghbour was told or heard about it and got angry? Why? gay white guy hitting on his bf, true or not, jealoously exists in all worlds, gay or oterwise. The gay romeo stuff is bullshit. The niehbour was yelling at Nicholas but was not using HIV as the main argument, if he even knows what it is. As said, Nicoals calmy put those words out there knwoing tha tthai guy would repeat them, cause in thailand an dother asian countries if u dont spea english well u repeat what is said because its fresn and available
Anyway also as said he was too upset to just be mad at Nicholas having HIV and living int he building, as Nichoals has been for ther for some time and no incident till now
Nicholas, Im sorry u have HIV but dont look to blame others for your behaviour
Nicholas talked to neighbours bf about his non avourbale demeanour. nieghbour was told or heard about it and got angry? Why? gay white guy hitting on his bf, true or not, jealoously exists in all worlds, gay or oterwise. The gay romeo stuff is bullshit. The niehbour was yelling at Nicholas but was not using HIV as the main argument, if he even knows what it is. As said, Nicoals calmy put those words out there knwoing tha tthai guy would repeat them, cause in thailand an dother asian countries if u dont spea english well u repeat what is said because its fresn and available
Anyway also as said he was too upset to just be mad at Nicholas having HIV and living int he building, as Nichoals has been for ther for some time and no incident till now
Nicholas, Im sorry u have HIV but dont look to blame others for your behaviour
i've posted the video on my blog
Nicholas Snow, Founder
Action Equals Life
Thanks
Thanks again for taking the time to comment on this issue.
Everything here in the original story/video is truthful. There is nothing I have stated that isn't true. Many people in their comments here have made presumptions, assumptions, accusations, etc. If anyone wants to communicate their questions, or make comments that they would like me to respond to, I invite them to go to Action Equals Life and go to the "contact" link at the bottom of the page to communicate with me directly.
I will respond within the coming weeks and post news of that here and at ActionEqualsLife. No questions or comments off limits.
Sincerely,
Nicholas Snow, Founder
Action Equals Life
(By the way, I'm not coming back to this page again anytime in the near future. It has been emotionally wrenching and I need a break).
Of course it is through fear but he is also a dangreous nut adn there are many locals there in Thailand who have no advice, counselling help or hope like that.
never mind whatever they say. If you are really "educated" as you say...
Do you go to your room, get a video cam and start video taping? even if the guy says don't take my picture (referring to "video"). the guy gets agitated, then you start asking, why? whats your problem?? is it because I'm HIV positive???
Come on!!!!!!!!!! not everyone likes to be video taped or photographed, the bottom line here is. NO means NO. No need to know why. He doesn't owe you an explanation. You guys are NEIGHBORS, not LOVERS!
If people dont want to talk to you, dont insist on talking to them, and just ignore, thats what most normal people do. You don't go around asking people in your building whats wrong why they dont talk to you, that is soooooo lame. You guys live in the same building, yes, but it doesn't mean all your neighbors have to be your friend. BECAUSE! people with or without HIV has a choice to talk or not talk to people, be friends or not friends. AND anyone, with or without HIV has a right to PRIVACY!
i understand some "difficult-handle" gay men who failed to get some young chicks or request some thing failed from another part,and then do some thing or make them mad. but why stil insist to make them more angry?
in english"fucking"is rude, meanwhile if you speak other country language as in " Asshole " this word "meaning is the place of shit from butt " to me, i will thinking why the person speak ur * to me? why? he might not low educated person, but totally like uneducated person.
I also suspect that a book may follow from the comments he invites to his blog. It demeans the work of HIV activists , and threatens to further stigmatise people who have this condition. Video taking of a person without consent is a violence against that person , and shouting at his neighbour in the way Snow did is a form of harrassment .
I agree with most of the rational criticisms ,like 127, and am sorry for those who react emotionaly and miss the harm that this man has done.
take note.
of cz with the big slogan "HIV activist Nicholas Snow catches abusive Bangkok neighbour on video" , it already fixed the readers perception before watched the so called "abusive bbk neighbour" video.
yeah it's pity fridae is hosting this as news, sad.
i'd rather see billcanada's thick thick thighs, yooohoooooo
If the victim in this video was American he might well have looked at the possibility of a legal action for invasion of privacy and defamation. He is the victim, advantage taken of his lack of English , his emotion and culture.
I will follow the advice of 136 and perhaps we should stop writing here so that this is no longer considered a worthwhile news item by Fridae.
Boy, to take in so many counts of unflattering terms at one go sure wasn't easy. But hey, you're pardoned. After all, you did say you were "outraged", & everyone including myself, have moments of irrationality driven by sheer anger. So I UNDERSTAND.
Secondly, thank you for being part of a revolution that has given the gay people much more space than there was 20 years ago. But no, I do not believe that compromising was not part of the plan. If the 'gay revolution' was all about forceful movements, it makes us no difference from terrorists organizations.
And since like what you've dubbed me, a young boy with lack of understanding, I've only got a handful of examples I can use: Harvey Milk. He compromised, by letting himself 'fit in' with everybody else. Then, slowly but surely, brought in & 'introduced' the gay community (I'm sorry if that word sets your bomb off again). With his authority & power, I'm sure there were many chances he could abuse it, to be bias only to the gay people. But did he? I'm sure you know.
So do you really think that upon his assassination, would there be so many people stretching beyond sexual orientation, gender, age, & race showing their respect for him? If he was not a compromising & understanding man?
Thirdly, I do not appreciate you for insulting my dignity. I may be young, I may not know just as much as you, but at least I'm not afraid to speak my mind. Don't use the term 'ignorant' on me. I didn't go through all the discrimination shit just as any other gay man went through, just so other people like you, can call me unaware & passive. I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
And for the record, don't just brag about it, but do something practical if you feel ashamed by what other people is causing onto you. You might wanna watch that temper of yours as well, because it's fogging your seriousness & resulting you being a pot calling the kettle black.
If you're still not gonna take a inch bit of me seriously, just because you think I'm young... idiotic... stupid... pathetically passive... nonsensical... ignorant... lack of understanding...
I shall compromise then, & let you have your way & be literally ignorant towards you.
Some people who have commented, young and older, have also been emotional, and uncritical . Reasons ? Sorry for the English speaking person ,who is described as an advocate for the discriminated in Thailand !
Why was Thai not used ? Not a worldwide easily understood language useful for the Utube ?
Sorry for a person with a serious illness which any one of us might be unfortunate to catch ( blood transfusion, needle sharing, unsafe sex , making a mistake under the influence of drink or drugs and passion etc etc ). Disturbed, and blinded , by the unusual sight of an adult man appearing to be upset and crying !! Even though all was this was ' calmly ' videtaped by himself ,not another !!
Some are swayed by feelings of uncritical sorrow for the Videotaper , a person who portrays himself as selfless on behalf of 'us' , and swayed with anger against someone who can only express 'wordless' anger and confusion ( in another's language ) about his neighbour , with threats of violence 'put in his mouth' by Snow. "Are you gettin a knife to attack me "( or some such ).
I am annoyed and offended by Snow's actions, and his inappropriate behaviour as a HIV activist . Gay or not. I do not feel emotional. However if I was Thai , and seeing and understanding what I saw and heard , I might be emotional.
Some people who have commented, young and older, have also been emotional, and uncritical . Reasons ? Sorry for the English speaking person ,who is described as an advocate for the discriminated in Thailand !
Why was Thai not used ? Not a worldwide easily understood language useful for the Utube ?
Sorry for a person with a serious illness which any one of us might be unfortunate to catch ( blood transfusion, needle sharing, unsafe sex , making a mistake under the influence of drink or drugs and passion etc etc ). Disturbed, and blinded , by the unusual sight of an adult man appearing to be upset and crying !! Even though all was this was ' calmly ' videtaped by himself ,not another !!
Some are swayed by feelings of uncritical sorrow for the Videotaper , a person who portrays himself as selfless on behalf of 'us' , and swayed with anger against someone who can only express 'wordless' anger and confusion ( in another's language ) about his neighbour , with threats of violence 'put in his mouth' by Snow. "Are you gettin a knife to attack me "( or some such ).
I am annoyed and offended by Snow's actions, and his inappropriate behaviour as a HIV activist . Gay or not. I do not feel emotional. However if I was Thai , and seeing and understanding what I saw and heard , I might be emotional.
Mr Snow did say“ I sorta invited stigma and discrimination to come my way because I wanted to stand up against it.”
Taking your comment out of context " Doesn't this video and his actions bother you at all?, am I the only one here who is disgusted by his actions?,........ " .Answer.Yes ,thoroughly disgusted by Snow's provocation and abuse of this Thai guy's emotions , inadequate English ,and right to privacy. As you have also said , You are " missing the point completely,,,". I did not write " may be emotional".
I wrote "I am annoyed and offended by Snow's actions, and his inappropriate behaviour as a HIV activist . Gay or not. I do not feel emotional. However if I was Thai , and seeing and understanding what I saw and heard , I MIGHT be emotional." .
I changed my photo for this correspondence immediately I noticed it here but Fridae seems to have been very slow to make the change..A little more respectable ? Please do not discrimainate against me on the basis of me " standing naked on a chair "....However no fear, I will not set you up and videotape your discrimination.
Even i am standing in gay life, but i never feel embarrassing,because before i start doing all this,i already know this is my choice....and i should know the fact if i am standing in this kind of life.
What should we do if we born as a gay? That is a feeling to be...
is not what we wanted to be. We are also human,and we have feeling too. right?
Yes, you might have that deceases, so???? Everyone will leave,don't we realize? Is just early or late that all.
At least,we have a beautiful and meaningful experience that ever goes through in our life before. That is call life.
No matter what happen,be strong,still enjoying your life. Be happy. May luck and bless to be with u.
truly,
vince
I am not going to be returning to this page again, but in my "The Rest of the Story" account, I identify how to communicate your questions, comments and criticisms to me in the future.
I am about to paste a link below. If for whatever reason it is not hyperlinked, just go to ActionEqualsLife.com and look in the blog for this headline:
Nicholas Snow’s Controversial HIV-Related Neighbor Conflict Video: “The Rest of the Story”…
Thank you again.
Sincerely,
Nicholas Snow, Founder - The Action Equals Life World Service Project
http://www.actionequalslife.com/profiles/blogs/nicholas-snows-controversial
I was apologising for my lovely naked picture being shown on a serious discussion page,whereas the purpose in having it on my profile has resulted in tremendous outcomes ! For me ,and the great guys who have found me . Maybe you had the same though so that none of your numerous profile photos of your little covered package is shown on this page. So you put the less flattering one of your thin body in a patient like green robe. ?.
Enough of this delicious bitchiness !! Snow..see what you have provoked as you go on to use us for your evil ends !!In your next article or /and blog ! You have also helped us to view those intelligent and handsome guys like Grant ,Clinton and Lokie,to mention just a few.
By the way , goodsmile...I got the Freelancer from YOUR PROFILE. >
Role Bottom
Safe sex Always
How out are you? Totally
Occupation Self-employed / Freelance
Personality Bitchy, Flirty, Funny, Loving, Romantic, Serious
Best Attribute Personality
Add calm and rational ,and maybe your arguments can have more clarity and be more appreciated.
Blessings and Good Luck....
Livid Thai guy vs Unexplained sudden appearance Farang in a Positive setting. Directed by Snow (Korea's Rain is busy ya?). LOL
Only bad news is sir, I no like be watching. Cat fights in Thailand very common & boring.zzzz.
Geez, give it a rest already. Enough of this topic. YAWN.
Move on. Even a dead horse needs it rest.
I think if you put yourself out there you'll just have to be able to face all the cynicism that comes your way. Come'on seriously, he should know better.
There's still a lot of ignorant people out there, but it's pretty obvious here, that there is more than meets the eye in this case. My point is, everyone seems to be using the new media to get their 15 seconds of fame. And Nick I think is no exception.
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