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In Africa, we have "Eat da poo poo" by fanatical X-tians.
In Aceh, we have "fear the schools loos" by fanatical Moslems.

It's always about THEM-these self righteous sham of a so called religion. Africa and Aceh are still recovering from their post civil war remnants but choose to focus on totally irrelevant matters as persecuting LGBT. With their nations mired in poverty, it's no wonder they get stuck in time with all their maze of greed and power games invented by political power brokers to ensure further control through chaos. Sad.

Sometimes, it can be said, every nation deserves its own fate by its own making.

“We were born as Muslim, as Acehnese"
To me this somehow sums up the problem.
Human beings are born as... human beings, not "as Muslim" or "as Acehnese"...
Sadly, the second we're born we're litterally kidnapped by our family along with its country, religion, fears, hopes, past, taboos, etc... they're called called "roots". Roots indeed. Roots that keep us from walking out of the prison and even make us love it.
That's where being gay can turn out to be a blessing, because it can help us question our beloved prison.

Well said, yveserwan.

My Dad is Indonesian and Mum is Malaysian, I was born in Europe, grew up in the Catholic School.

Aceh goverment is not representing a whole of Indonesia. They want to have syariah law...is their choice, and if you wanna feel free for being gay? get out from Aceh and live in other state in Indonesia.

Indonesia is not an islamic state, they are Republic and under Republic legal systems. They had 2 ministers were openly gay and we knew that. But who cares they did a briliant job. Aceh needs to grow up. Indonesia is the only country in the world who celebrates 5 religius day as a national public holiday since 1945. I dont even see if US or UK will do the same.

I do respect Aceh Islamic Law but I dont believe of what ever rules they made eventhought I am also born in islamic family.

thanks uranusvenus (some nickname!) for your support, and comment#4 thanks for reminding us that Indonesia is NOT an islamic state, because it definitely isn't and many Indonesians are struggling to keep things that way in the face of growing religious extremism. So let's encourage them first and foremost, and not allow one tree to hide the whole forest.

Lashing out at Indonesia for what goes on in Aceh is like condemning a whole family because one of its members commited a crime. I personnally love Indonesia, have been going there for almost 30 years and have many muslim Indonesian friends who are peace-loving and tolerant people.

nzcrew I must add that your last sentence is somewhat enigmatic... you "respect" islamic law but you don't "believe" whatever rules they make... hum hum... Personnally I don't respect ANY kind of law that is based on archaic prejudice, sexism and intolerance even (and especially) if it is wearing the dubious mantle of religious virtue.

Hi NZCREW04,

Regarding to your comment:
"Aceh goverment is not representing a whole of Indonesia. They want to have syariah law...is their choice, and if you wanna feel free for being gay? get out from Aceh and live in other state in Indonesia. "


I think it's really unfair to ask gay people to leave their state in order to live a gay life:

1. Simply kicking gay-people out from Aceh will not be a good solution. Even if all gay adults leave Aceh, there will be more gay kids being born in Aceh.

2. Not everyone is fortunate enough LIKE YOU or even ME, to have the resources and education to settle down overseas. With little earning power, low wages, and low level of education. Do you really think ALL of them can migrate? Some would be able to, but have compassion for those who can't afford migrating.

Anyway. Keep commenting.
I think expressing opinion is a healthy way to shape our own, since it leads to healthy discussion.

Cheers.

Hi Yveserwan, thanks for your comment there. I knew a few gay acehnese that have moved out from Aceh and also a few teenage girls which are leaving Aceh because of their syariah law that make them have to cover their body, hair etc even wearing Jeans are forbidden for them. So not only gays are suffering but others too.

I just want to clarify that when you mentioned Aceh thats mean Aceh and not Indonesia. I respect any sort of religius rules, not only for islam but also for christian, hindu, budha etc. Eventho I am not too sure if that rules and believes are right. Such us:

Islam: Men can marry 5 women. Women is always below Men etc
Chatolic: Pray to Jesus and Maria etc. Priest can forgive your sins etc
Hindu: Reincarnation etc

But I do respect all of them. My thought was I do believe a lot of these rules are Man made and not from God it self.

Yes there are a fanatical groups in Indonesia and Malaysia but there is no way they can change the way of Indonesian Islamic systems. I am feeling sorry for all Acehnese gays and lesbians but I suggest if they could move to their neighbour state like North Sumatera or Riau Province where gays are more acceptable there. Yes there is no protection for gays and lesbian in Indonesia but they know we are exist and occupied most of the works in Restaurant, entertainment, Television, etc....and they love it. Most of my friends in Indonesia are gays and they are find ...oh yes they can not kiss in public thats all. This is the same thing like being white walking down in Johanesburg right?

anyway thanks for your comment. Regards, Boyke

@nzcrew04: being minority shouldn't suppress who you are. i know too well that fighting against discrimination is always difficult however no one will give you the rights you deserve unless you take a stand for it. do you think western world would be this open or relaxed (generally speaking) if people of stonewall were thinking like you? then there wouldn't be such states, countries etc. that you suggest gays to move in, in order to escape from their hell! so i totally agree with mmlover0123, unfortunately asking people to leave their homes is not a solution...

So to summon up: Those are the ways that religion - what ever clour - shrews up humanity!!!! If God excist - is She evil??

jens

Jens... would it be too much to ask that you RE-READ your own comment before clicking to post it ?
clour = colour
shrews = screws
excist = exist
Jens = lazy :-)))

PS. and plaese don't scraem at me, I'm olny joknig !

Just one thing i want to say, i meet a man, and he told me he was gay and said he has stopped it, he then mentioned one of the reason he quit was because when he gained his senses, he saw what he was doing as a boyish thing and started crying, he hsaid he was older in age and physical looks, but inside he was a boy, because it is only boys that do such things. He concluded, he has grown into a man and will never do boyish things again.He said, men who called themselves gay, are men who refuse to grow up from their boyish attitude. I creid when he said this, i felt ashamed of myself.

Well have been thinking seriously, just want to share, could this man be right?

i just want to know what you all think, please think it verywell b4 replying.

Thanks.

He quit when he gained his senses? Sorry Colegarcia but I think you need to read a little bit more research about homosexuality and observe the world around you and inside of you a little closer...

Leaving aside all research, many homosexuals in religious communities and outside have been forced by society to be straight, have grown up to become straight and a lot of them have actually grown up thinking they are straight. Some of them went through years of therapy after discovering homosexual tendencies, got married with kids. 9 out of 10 turned back to homosexuality at some point in their life often doing great harm to their wives. Do you really think that people go through such a struggle and pain, defying their apparent true identity as a heterosexual, sometimes ruin or lose their lives just because they dont want to grow up?

Besides that, Whereever you come on earth the ratio of homosexuals among the rest of society is more or less the same.
Lots of homosexuals and transgenders already know their identity from a very early age. Look at little kids. Some boys starting to play with dolls and dresses instead of trucks when they are 2 or 3 years old. Do you really think these little kids show early signs that they "don't want to grow up"?

If I look at 2 of my friends - a gay couple, both very wise man with adopted children, helping society wherever they can. Did they not grow up? they seem to be more grown up as many straight people I know. And if their homosexual identity would be a psycological hick up, would it matter? I dont think so.

Maybe we need to be staying a bit boyish in order to avoid becoming stiff and repressed tarts. I wouldnt be surprised if I would meet that man you met some day hovering around in a gay bar after finally having come to terms with who he really is.

im staying in aceh currently...

well, when you said about boyish things, that reminds me of very early childhood memories of plays with boys around. and of course i am not talking about racing cars or dressing Barbies :) for most of us probably those touches, just looking ats etc. were the first erotic gay moments.
and i don't admit the significance of those moments to the construction of ourselves as gay individuals. however, after puberty the plays changed into something serious, and these were not some kind of hold on to my childhood. even i have a lot of heterosexual friends of different ages of both genders, who also refuse to grow up and they don't go gay. so, i don't think i agree with that man you encountered.

We have been seriosuly thinking, we how i got into gay, was when i had encouter with a guy sucking my dick, while we were watching straight porn movie, the guy took out my dick and started sucking it, it was not like i was acting like a girl before the, so i will say it was buyhood experiment.

And i started think, people say it was natural in them, and i ask myself,if it is, why is there not a Gay dog, A gay lion, A gay elephant, a Gay cat, a Gay chicken. It should not be present in only we humans.

I have carried out research and see, that it is we humans that calim it is natural in us, that confuses me.

@saphienss don't you think it was because you experienced that boy to boy when you were growing, that kept bringing that memory to your head and you like it and want to keep doing it and that way you need to back it to show it was not just the desire, well if it was not for the boyhood encounter, it will not have crossed you, am i right?

seems like you havent read anything I wrote...

On your quote that it seems like its coming from a boyhood experience and therefore it's something you want to keep on doing is
very odd logic. If boys experiment with girls when they are 14 is that therefore an experience limited to boyhood if they keep doing it with girls? A lot of boys experiment with boys when they are young because it sometimes more accessible. Most of them switch to girls because they are in fact straight. Some continue with that because they are gay. Some gay boys experiment with girls in their teens and switch to guys because they are gay.

There are several animals that engage in same sex encounters (bononos probably the most famous example). Even if they wouldnt, would all animals (including humans) have to have the same behavior? Seahorses are probably the only animals where fathers give birth to their kids. Is it unnatural because the rest of the animals don't do it like that. Is diversity necessarily unnatural? And even if it is "unnatural", whatever that means, would that be a problem?

HeHeHe...Topic successfully derailed by the loony colegarcia avatar after failed attempt by yves....cool, he is such a genius!!

You certainly do not understand me, why is it that it is now that homosexuality came out, why was it not legalised during the roman empire, I know certainly if my parents knew that wen they give birth to me I will be Gay, they will not attempt me,I feel ashemed for what I turn out to

Saterdae:is it not when u first had sex with a woman that u feel u like the idea of having sex with a man?also u do not answer my question, why r there no gay dog, gay monkey, gay lion, that are more close to we human

Kumabro is right. Colegarcia derailed the discussion about Aceh and I joined in the derailment. My apologies. for that

Colegarcia, if you feel ashamed and troubled about who you are, why dont you seek professional help? Professionals all over the world have affirmed that "curing homosexuality" is impossible, but getting some therapy might help you at least to deal with your inner conflict. Good luck!

@4 nzcrew04: it is really not clear that "they" want Shariah law in Aceh. I understand it came from the top (Jakarta), even before the armed conflict was solved. The Shariah police is not only repressing gays but also unmarried heterosexual couples who are together let's say in a bar or restaurant. I guess they are not very popular with the youth to say the least, but they are feared.

Aceh has had its own kind of Islam which has been coined as "fundamentalist" but I am not sure at all what this really means. They have managed to have their own spiritual identity without the help of any shariah police, in the past. I haven't been there but all those I know who have been say the Achenese are very sweet people.

Saterdae, I just want to recommend a book to you to give you some evidences of rainbow in sexuality. the book is an academic book (not fiction) written by a Stanford scientist who challenges Darwin's 3rd law: that male and female follow natural law when it comes to mating--male acts aggresively and female with coy.

I hope you gain some insights from this book: Evolution's Rainbow by Roughgarden. the argument presented in this book is infact an ongoing scientific debate in scientist community because she challenges 1 of many Darwin's evolution theory that has been regarded a valid theory in biology field. It is a fun literary that is way from being boring. Have fun reading; I did.